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On October 23 2012 03:38 sung_moon wrote:
Was I the only one who chuckled when the prisoners see the first zombies in the hallway and proceed to charge and beat em drive-by gang-war style? Mudhole stomping and the big guy even holding one while they shank them in the stomach repeatedly. Rofl
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On October 23 2012 03:09 Quenchiest wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:03 Diglett wrote:
so considering getting bit by a new zombie turns you into a zombie, getting bit by a normal human or just randomly injured also turns you into a zombie? Death = zombie That's about all we know. As to what causes a zombie bite/scratch to be so infectious that a person is almost guaranteed to die, no one knows.
o yeah, im dumb lol
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On October 23 2012 03:38 sung_moon wrote:
Was I the only one who chuckled when the prisoners see the first zombies in the hallway and proceed to charge and beat em drive-by gang-war style? Mudhole stomping and the big guy even holding one while they shank them in the stomach repeatedly. Rofl
I was laughing so hard. It was super fucking random, but awesome.
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On October 23 2012 02:39 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:35 Gosi wrote:
I think this season have started strong.
Also 5 bucks on that the white prisoner is a rapist or some shit and something will happen and he will get his hand on some chick in the group. Comic spoilers ahead (it's clear it won't happen the same way in the show, but some aspects may be similar. + Show Spoiler +In the comic a couple of girls of the group are brutally beheaded in the prison and everyone inmediatly blames the agressive black guy, but in the ends it turns out that the killer was the well spoken white guy who was actually a serial killer. snip + Show Spoiler +On October 23 2012 02:29 rpgalon wrote:
I have a question for those who have read the comics.
Is there any occurrence of a death caused by a recently turned zombie bite?
example: a guy dies from a stab in the heart, turn into zombie, bite someone almost instantly after being turned... the person who was bitten dies later on from this bite.
I think if this has happened, it is a proof that the bite of a zombie is not fatal because of the infections, but something else... It's been a while since a read the comics, but I think Kirkman himself said that the whole point of being the "Walking Dead" is that they are all infected and that dead by any means brings reanimation. I think people getting a bite from a rotten corpse, and even a non rotten one, would be in for a massive infection without proper antibiotics. But it would probably take a while for them to die and so the whole process has to be speed up as to not slow down the story too much.
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+ Show Spoiler +The white prisoner in the TV show is named Axel. So far, he doesn't have much in common with his comic counterpart other than the fact that he doesn't really belong with the other prisoners and is generally a nice guy. He didn't even say "you feel me?" yet.  Thomas in the comic books did have some serial killer vibes before he was revealed to be a serial killer. Not getting those vibes from TV Axel yet. I can see him being a pervert but I doubt it'll go beyond that. I think they're going to leave that storyline out since it's so dark but maybe they'll surprise us.
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I really like the direction they've gone with the kid, not just an annoying brat anymore, gets shit done.
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At the very end of episode 2, did anyone else notice some people crouched in the bottom left corner of the screen? This was during the wide shot of Rick / Lori talking on the bridge/walkway.
I'm guessing maybe just a crew mistake, but the scene immediately before this was a shot of Carol from the first person view of someone (spying on her?).
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Really liking the season so far, just hope they can keep this up and not make it dull and stall like season 2. As I've read the comics I know that things WILL and/or SHOULD happen to prevent the show from stalling, and the "next episode"-snip at the end almost confirms my suspicions.
They made a good choice with the script and characters in episode 2, so what can I say other than; I can't wait for number 3!
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On October 23 2012 10:18 solidusx3 wrote:
At the very end of episode 2, did anyone else notice some people crouched in the bottom left corner of the screen? This was during the wide shot of Rick / Lori talking on the bridge/walkway.
I'm guessing maybe just a crew mistake, but the scene immediately before this was a shot of Carol from the first person view of someone (spying on her?).
Those are actually left over zombies. You can see some zombies when the prison survivors first walk outside as well.
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On October 22 2012 17:43 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters. It's not them not taking it into consideration, it's that the premise never existed in this world. You guys are using your whatever real world knowledge of zombies and applying it to the show. Sometimes it works, like how crossbows are good weapons to pick off zombies slowly, and sometimes it doesn't, like how zombies can now use tools. It's the director's own interpretation of zombies. Sometimes, it's really consistent with what's been produced, like Romero's zombies. And sometimes, it's like the comic and Kirkman's zombies. But it's all up to the director. It's his zombies now. However, it's hard to say if they screwed it up big time with a shitty first two seasons, but that's what you accept. And the zombies here aren't even zombies, they're walkers. The concept of zombie doesn't exist, so stop treating it like you know how getting zombie blood in their eyes will affect them. Please stop thinking about how you know so much more than the producers of the show about zombies, and just enjoy the premise and new take on zombie-land, even if it's lacking in acting potential. + Show Spoiler [book] +
Even though the audience is clearly not ready for some of the shit they went through in the comics, like torturing the governor, the shit with the governor's child, the ridiculously long time they spent in the prison arc with the lovers committing suicide and the dad killing the entire cafeteria full of zombies with his hands, I feel like they would add so much missing "wtf" to the series, and enough to relax the comic people. It's hard to watch knowing that the producers are so reluctant to put in the dark, dark, dark themes that made the comic what it was.
I think it was put very eloquently in the recent comics before shit hit the fan. Rick is the leader of their ragged troupe of the bad-ass military dude, Michonne, and Andrea. He has the respect of the entire community, not to mention being a leader, and he's missing his fucking hand. The guy can't imagine what shit Rick went through to be so bloody respected. At the current rate, I don't think we'll get that kind of scene or feeling from Rick, though you can clearly see he's very visibly affected by all the killing.
I disagree. The premise of the show is how a zombie apocalypse could realistically happen. I mean, theres specific mechanics that may differ, but you would think that characters IN the show understand the concept of a zombie from the depicted stereotype and have their own beliefs on what mechanics a zombie functions by -- even if they're incorrect to how the show actually operates. It could even have made it more interesting seeing different characters with their own biases towards how a zombie works as opposed to what the show dictates the characters unanimously believe. It's like they're depicting how a zombie apocalypse could happen where none of the characters have even heard of a zombie before.
While it doesn't have to be that EVERYONE is overly cautious of the infection, it is difficult to believe that not one person -- not even someone who didn't know how the virus operated, would be OCD over the blood of the zombies. Everyone just seems to already know about these subtleties that never get explained.
Like, my main and biggest grief in this regard is that they call the zombies walkers. I'm okay that they're trying to separate the show from other zombie stories, but it's extremely difficult to believe in a world depicted realistically that no one would immediately see a walker and be like "holy shit its a zombie." Instead they're just clueless until Rick and crew come along and tell them what it is. I'm pretty sure you could take a "walker" and show them to anyone on this Earth (or at least the USA) and they will tell you it's a zombie. Yet somehow, zombie is not mentioned once. This killed the first episode for me.
It was kinda cute in season 2 during the shootout scene that the other surviving group calls the walkers "ballers," but that only infuriates me more. How can no one call them a zombie? Maybe I just missed it the one time it was said from poor memory.Youd think the gamer that the group wanted to execute would have played resident evil -- or any "nameless" zombie game. But I guess they're ballers.
edit: Actually I don't even remember if they called them ballers or rollers or something. LOL.
On October 22 2012 21:23 RowdierBob wrote:
Great episode. Rick's such a boss now.
Who give mouth-to-mouth to a potential zombie though -__-;;
Should check out the webisodes if you haven't already. :O
On October 22 2012 23:54 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 22 2012 23:31 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth.
You don't need to keep wandering around, it explains how it works in the comics. Everyone had the zombie virus, it doesn't explain how everyone has it, but they do and they only turn into zombies after dying (Rick shot Shane, HE DIDN'T GET BIT and he came back a zombie). Zombies don't carry the virus because everyone already has the virus, they only carry diseases that help kill a person. Once a person is dead, the zombie virus that every one has is what takes control and brings you back. If you read the comics or have seen the previous seasons, you will read, hear and see that the scientist clearly explain that the time it takes for some one to become a zombie can range from one minute through four hours. It depends on how quickly the zombie virus takes control after the person has died. Also I kind of understand what you wrote, so if anything I said above has nothing to do with what you wrote, just ignore it. But I think the reason why some one that was shot comes back quicker is because the body isn't decomposed. It's still in tact which helps the virus spread quicker through out the brain, but some one that was bit, the body dies because of all the infections and diseases it's carrying, so it takes longer for the virus to spread due to the body already being in terrible health. I meant, the theory about the bacteria in the mouth makes no sense if a person who died 3 minutes ago reanimates and can still theoretically bite to infect someone. The germs in the mouth would n't have festered long enough to be dangerous. Another idea that makes sense is if dying causes the infected brain, like those scans at the CDC showed, to do something with the walker's saliva so that it reacts with live blood and causes it to squirt out that dark-ish fluid, like in the scene where Andrea's sister is bit. It's pretty far-fetched, but again, I'm looking for something that covers all the bases. It seems to make some sense for how Michonne's cutting off the mouths and saliva glands of her zombies work, though apparently Kirkman also allows for some training of the zombies so Michonne's zombies are obedient. :/ Just theorizing at this point.
The mouth of an average zombie which chews on rotted flesh and has every possible disease imaginable inside of it, will probably kill you within a few days with no antibiotics. We've only seen bites from the average rotted zombie, so it's probably safe to assume it's the debilitating infections that kill you for now until we see a recently turned zombie bite.
What's more compelling to me, is that the show almost always associates bites with a fever. In this episode they check for a fever ontop of Herschel's vitals to see if the bite has taken hold. I'm not entirely sure if disease infections to the magnitude that a zombie bite could deliver would always result in a fever. It almost implies it is some sort of supernatural phenomena that a bite causes you to turn faster by killing you. This too though, would be wrapped up by seeing the clean bite. You can even reasonably explain how the blood being exposed doesn't kill him anyways, as normally your blood being exposed to such an infection wouldn't make a difference whether you amputate, but he did bleed a fuck ton and probably bled it out. Then every strain left on the flesh/leg would be gone with the amputation.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 23 2012 10:45 rd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 17:43 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters. It's not them not taking it into consideration, it's that the premise never existed in this world. You guys are using your whatever real world knowledge of zombies and applying it to the show. Sometimes it works, like how crossbows are good weapons to pick off zombies slowly, and sometimes it doesn't, like how zombies can now use tools. It's the director's own interpretation of zombies. Sometimes, it's really consistent with what's been produced, like Romero's zombies. And sometimes, it's like the comic and Kirkman's zombies. But it's all up to the director. It's his zombies now. However, it's hard to say if they screwed it up big time with a shitty first two seasons, but that's what you accept. And the zombies here aren't even zombies, they're walkers. The concept of zombie doesn't exist, so stop treating it like you know how getting zombie blood in their eyes will affect them. Please stop thinking about how you know so much more than the producers of the show about zombies, and just enjoy the premise and new take on zombie-land, even if it's lacking in acting potential. + Show Spoiler [book] +
Even though the audience is clearly not ready for some of the shit they went through in the comics, like torturing the governor, the shit with the governor's child, the ridiculously long time they spent in the prison arc with the lovers committing suicide and the dad killing the entire cafeteria full of zombies with his hands, I feel like they would add so much missing "wtf" to the series, and enough to relax the comic people. It's hard to watch knowing that the producers are so reluctant to put in the dark, dark, dark themes that made the comic what it was.
I think it was put very eloquently in the recent comics before shit hit the fan. Rick is the leader of their ragged troupe of the bad-ass military dude, Michonne, and Andrea. He has the respect of the entire community, not to mention being a leader, and he's missing his fucking hand. The guy can't imagine what shit Rick went through to be so bloody respected. At the current rate, I don't think we'll get that kind of scene or feeling from Rick, though you can clearly see he's very visibly affected by all the killing.
I disagree. The premise of the show is how a zombie apocalypse could realistically happen. I mean, theres specific mechanics that may differ, but you would think that characters IN the show understand the concept of a zombie from the depicted stereotype and have their own beliefs on what mechanics a zombie functions by -- even if they're incorrect to how the show actually operates. It could even have made it more interesting seeing different characters with their own biases towards how a zombie works as opposed to what the show dictates the characters unanimously believe. It's like they're depicting how a zombie apocalypse could happen where none of the characters have even heard of a zombie before. While it doesn't have to be that EVERYONE is overly cautious of the infection, it is difficult to believe that not one person -- not even someone who didn't know how the virus operated, would be OCD over the blood of the zombies. Everyone just seems to already know about these subtleties that never get explained. Like, my main and biggest grief in this regard is that they call the zombies walkers. I'm okay that they're trying to separate the show from other zombie stories, but it's extremely difficult to believe in a world depicted realistically that no one would immediately see a walker and be like "holy shit its a zombie." Instead they're just clueless until Rick and crew come along and tell them what it is. I'm pretty sure you could take a "walker" and show them to anyone on this Earth (or at least the USA) and they will tell you it's a zombie. Yet somehow, zombie is not mentioned once. This killed the first episode for me. It was kinda cute in season 2 during the shootout scene that the other surviving group calls the walkers "ballers," but that only infuriates me more. How can no one call them a zombie? Maybe I just missed it the one time it was said from poor memory.Youd think the gamer that the group wanted to execute would have played resident evil -- or any "nameless" zombie game. But I guess they're ballers. edit: Actually I don't even remember if they called them ballers or rollers or something. LOL. Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 23:54 Blisse wrote:On October 22 2012 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 22 2012 23:31 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth.
You don't need to keep wandering around, it explains how it works in the comics. Everyone had the zombie virus, it doesn't explain how everyone has it, but they do and they only turn into zombies after dying (Rick shot Shane, HE DIDN'T GET BIT and he came back a zombie). Zombies don't carry the virus because everyone already has the virus, they only carry diseases that help kill a person. Once a person is dead, the zombie virus that every one has is what takes control and brings you back. If you read the comics or have seen the previous seasons, you will read, hear and see that the scientist clearly explain that the time it takes for some one to become a zombie can range from one minute through four hours. It depends on how quickly the zombie virus takes control after the person has died. Also I kind of understand what you wrote, so if anything I said above has nothing to do with what you wrote, just ignore it. But I think the reason why some one that was shot comes back quicker is because the body isn't decomposed. It's still in tact which helps the virus spread quicker through out the brain, but some one that was bit, the body dies because of all the infections and diseases it's carrying, so it takes longer for the virus to spread due to the body already being in terrible health. I meant, the theory about the bacteria in the mouth makes no sense if a person who died 3 minutes ago reanimates and can still theoretically bite to infect someone. The germs in the mouth would n't have festered long enough to be dangerous. Another idea that makes sense is if dying causes the infected brain, like those scans at the CDC showed, to do something with the walker's saliva so that it reacts with live blood and causes it to squirt out that dark-ish fluid, like in the scene where Andrea's sister is bit. It's pretty far-fetched, but again, I'm looking for something that covers all the bases. It seems to make some sense for how Michonne's cutting off the mouths and saliva glands of her zombies work, though apparently Kirkman also allows for some training of the zombies so Michonne's zombies are obedient. :/ Just theorizing at this point. The mouth of an average zombie which chews on rotted flesh and has every possible disease imaginable inside of it, will probably kill you within a few days with no antibiotics. We've only seen bites from the average rotted zombie, so it's probably safe to assume it's the debilitating infections that kill you for now until we see a recently turned zombie bite. What's more compelling to me, is that the show almost always associates bites with a fever. In this episode they check for a fever ontop of Herschel's vitals to see if the bite has taken hold. I'm not entirely sure if disease infections to the magnitude that a zombie bite could deliver would always result in a fever. It almost implies it is some sort of supernatural phenomena that a bite causes you to turn faster by killing you. This too though, would be wrapped up by seeing the clean bite.
The link can spoil the series, so be warned.
Here you go,
According to Robert Kirkman in Episode 2 of Talking Dead, in the world of The Walking Dead, the works of George A. Romero were never made, and thus zombies do not appear in fiction. + Show Spoiler +.
If people knew what zombies were, like people our world, there's absolutely no way the zombie apocalypse would happen. That's why this is fiction. In their worlds, they have no clue how these things work. Then they panic, and they die. They don't think about fluids entering their system because, derp, it's never occurred to them that can be a medium of transfer. We're only aware of it because we're so exposed to zombies nowadays.
From what we know of the series, Rick already knows from the CDC guy that everyone's infected, and waiting to die. And from their experiences, getting bit will result in a fever that will kill you, unless the blood loss gets you first. Everything that they've seen, like how they've been touching zombie blood for 2 seasons now, points to the fact that they don't get infected when they zombie blood gets into their system, like how they weren't scared to put zombie guts all over themselves in Season 1. Or like how they may or may not have been drinking contaminated water with that bloated zombie in Hershel's farm. And It's never occurred to them to think about these things as there's no reason for them to suspect it would affect them.
+ Show Spoiler +Alternately, if one is able to capture a zombie and successfully remove their teeth, they can bite but will be unable to successfully penetrate a would-be victim's skin. from the same link. This is the stuff I'm talking about. The only thing that is said in that link is that
... zombie bites cause lethal infections.
Which means there is something in the bite, and exchange of fluids, that kills you. People are theorizing that it's the amount of germs in the mouth. I'm saying that's impossible because if you think about it, how did society collapse if people who just recently died, reanimated, bit people, and the people who were bit didn't get an infection and die. Then there's just a bunch of reanimated corpses biting people without consequence unless they lost too much blood. This solution doesn't feel elegant enough.
But they did die, and there is absolutely not enough time, assuming 5-10 minutes to reanimate (heck even 1 hour to reanimate is not enough), for your mouth to fester with enough germs to become dangerous when you bite and penetrate skin. So either biting immediately after reanimation is harmless, or we're off target.
All of this is definitely supernatural, so we could say germs magically fly into the mouth. But I'd like to find something that's reasonable and fits with all the facts we have now. And to me, it's saying that when you die, the zombie infection in everyone reacts with the reanimated's saliva so that when it's in direct contact via a bite and the fluids swap, the person gets infected and dies. It accounts for Michonne's pets. It accounts for the amputation. It accounts for the lack of care about touching zombie blood. See where I'm going?
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One thing about Lori people seem to be forgetting is Hershel is her last chance at having the baby safely. Whether or not Carol practices, she has no idea what she's actually doing and it's a big risk.
Yeah, it was retarded logically to us but he didn't have a fever which was a symptom in every other case and really, what does she have to lose? As you hear her say later, she thinks she's a bad wife and mother so I doubt she feels like it would be a loss if she died.
This season has been absolutely kick ass so far. Really excited.
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On October 23 2012 11:26 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 10:45 rd wrote:On October 22 2012 17:43 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 22 2012 15:28 blug wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The thing I've never understood is that when ever they kill a Zombie they aren't shit scared that they might get some of the Zombies blood in their eyes or perhaps an open wound they got earlier before. The person who produces the show obviously doesn't take that into consideration with his characters.
It's not them not taking it into consideration, it's that the premise never existed in this world. You guys are using your whatever real world knowledge of zombies and applying it to the show. Sometimes it works, like how crossbows are good weapons to pick off zombies slowly, and sometimes it doesn't, like how zombies can now use tools. It's the director's own interpretation of zombies. Sometimes, it's really consistent with what's been produced, like Romero's zombies. And sometimes, it's like the comic and Kirkman's zombies. But it's all up to the director. It's his zombies now. However, it's hard to say if they screwed it up big time with a shitty first two seasons, but that's what you accept. And the zombies here aren't even zombies, they're walkers. The concept of zombie doesn't exist, so stop treating it like you know how getting zombie blood in their eyes will affect them. Please stop thinking about how you know so much more than the producers of the show about zombies, and just enjoy the premise and new take on zombie-land, even if it's lacking in acting potential. + Show Spoiler [book] +
Even though the audience is clearly not ready for some of the shit they went through in the comics, like torturing the governor, the shit with the governor's child, the ridiculously long time they spent in the prison arc with the lovers committing suicide and the dad killing the entire cafeteria full of zombies with his hands, I feel like they would add so much missing "wtf" to the series, and enough to relax the comic people. It's hard to watch knowing that the producers are so reluctant to put in the dark, dark, dark themes that made the comic what it was.
I think it was put very eloquently in the recent comics before shit hit the fan. Rick is the leader of their ragged troupe of the bad-ass military dude, Michonne, and Andrea. He has the respect of the entire community, not to mention being a leader, and he's missing his fucking hand. The guy can't imagine what shit Rick went through to be so bloody respected. At the current rate, I don't think we'll get that kind of scene or feeling from Rick, though you can clearly see he's very visibly affected by all the killing.
I disagree. The premise of the show is how a zombie apocalypse could realistically happen. I mean, theres specific mechanics that may differ, but you would think that characters IN the show understand the concept of a zombie from the depicted stereotype and have their own beliefs on what mechanics a zombie functions by -- even if they're incorrect to how the show actually operates. It could even have made it more interesting seeing different characters with their own biases towards how a zombie works as opposed to what the show dictates the characters unanimously believe. It's like they're depicting how a zombie apocalypse could happen where none of the characters have even heard of a zombie before. While it doesn't have to be that EVERYONE is overly cautious of the infection, it is difficult to believe that not one person -- not even someone who didn't know how the virus operated, would be OCD over the blood of the zombies. Everyone just seems to already know about these subtleties that never get explained. Like, my main and biggest grief in this regard is that they call the zombies walkers. I'm okay that they're trying to separate the show from other zombie stories, but it's extremely difficult to believe in a world depicted realistically that no one would immediately see a walker and be like "holy shit its a zombie." Instead they're just clueless until Rick and crew come along and tell them what it is. I'm pretty sure you could take a "walker" and show them to anyone on this Earth (or at least the USA) and they will tell you it's a zombie. Yet somehow, zombie is not mentioned once. This killed the first episode for me. It was kinda cute in season 2 during the shootout scene that the other surviving group calls the walkers "ballers," but that only infuriates me more. How can no one call them a zombie? Maybe I just missed it the one time it was said from poor memory.Youd think the gamer that the group wanted to execute would have played resident evil -- or any "nameless" zombie game. But I guess they're ballers. edit: Actually I don't even remember if they called them ballers or rollers or something. LOL. On October 22 2012 23:54 Blisse wrote:On October 22 2012 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 22 2012 23:31 Blisse wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth.
You don't need to keep wandering around, it explains how it works in the comics. Everyone had the zombie virus, it doesn't explain how everyone has it, but they do and they only turn into zombies after dying (Rick shot Shane, HE DIDN'T GET BIT and he came back a zombie). Zombies don't carry the virus because everyone already has the virus, they only carry diseases that help kill a person. Once a person is dead, the zombie virus that every one has is what takes control and brings you back. If you read the comics or have seen the previous seasons, you will read, hear and see that the scientist clearly explain that the time it takes for some one to become a zombie can range from one minute through four hours. It depends on how quickly the zombie virus takes control after the person has died. Also I kind of understand what you wrote, so if anything I said above has nothing to do with what you wrote, just ignore it. But I think the reason why some one that was shot comes back quicker is because the body isn't decomposed. It's still in tact which helps the virus spread quicker through out the brain, but some one that was bit, the body dies because of all the infections and diseases it's carrying, so it takes longer for the virus to spread due to the body already being in terrible health. I meant, the theory about the bacteria in the mouth makes no sense if a person who died 3 minutes ago reanimates and can still theoretically bite to infect someone. The germs in the mouth would n't have festered long enough to be dangerous. Another idea that makes sense is if dying causes the infected brain, like those scans at the CDC showed, to do something with the walker's saliva so that it reacts with live blood and causes it to squirt out that dark-ish fluid, like in the scene where Andrea's sister is bit. It's pretty far-fetched, but again, I'm looking for something that covers all the bases. It seems to make some sense for how Michonne's cutting off the mouths and saliva glands of her zombies work, though apparently Kirkman also allows for some training of the zombies so Michonne's zombies are obedient. :/ Just theorizing at this point. The mouth of an average zombie which chews on rotted flesh and has every possible disease imaginable inside of it, will probably kill you within a few days with no antibiotics. We've only seen bites from the average rotted zombie, so it's probably safe to assume it's the debilitating infections that kill you for now until we see a recently turned zombie bite. What's more compelling to me, is that the show almost always associates bites with a fever. In this episode they check for a fever ontop of Herschel's vitals to see if the bite has taken hold. I'm not entirely sure if disease infections to the magnitude that a zombie bite could deliver would always result in a fever. It almost implies it is some sort of supernatural phenomena that a bite causes you to turn faster by killing you. This too though, would be wrapped up by seeing the clean bite. All my links can spoil the series, so be warned. Here you go, Show nested quote +According to Robert Kirkman in Episode 2 of Talking Dead, in the world of The Walking Dead, the works of George A. Romero were never made, and thus zombies do not appear in fiction. from http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Zombies#Trivia. If people knew what zombies were, like people our world, there's absolutely no way the zombie apocalypse would happen. That's why this is fiction. In their worlds, they have no clue how these things work. Then they panic, and they die. They don't think about fluids entering their system because, derp, it's never occurred to them that can be a medium of transfer. We're only aware of it because we're so exposed to zombies nowadays. Plus, Rick already knows from the CDC guy that everyone's infected, and waiting to die. And from their experiences, getting bit will result in a fever that will kill you, unless the blood loss gets you first. Everything that they've seen, like how they've been touching zombie blood for 2 seasons now, points to the fact that they don't get infected when they zombie blood gets into their system, like how they weren't scared to put zombie guts all over themselves in Season 1. It's never occurred to them, and there's no reason for them to suspect it would affect them. Show nested quote +Alternately, if one is able to capture a zombie and successfully remove their teeth, they can bite but will be unable to successfully penetrate a would-be victim's skin. from the same link. This is the stuff I'm talking about. The only thing that is said in that link is that Show nested quote +... zombie bites cause lethal infections. Thus, a person can become a zombie from dying of any cause other than brain damage. Which means there is something in the bite, and exchange of fluids, that kills you. People are theorizing that it's the amount of germs in the mouth. I'm saying that's impossible because if you think about it, how did society collapse if people who just recently died, came back, bit people, and the people who were bit didn't get an infection and die. But they did die, and there is absolutely not enough time, assuming 5-10 minutes to reanimate (heck even 1 hour to reanimate is not enough), for your mouth to fester with enough germs to become dangerous when you bite and penetrate skin. All of this is definitely supernatural, so we could say germs magically fly into the mouth. But I'd like to find something that's reasonable and fits with all the facts we have now. And to me, it's saying that when you die, the zombie infection in everyone reacts with the reanimated's saliva so that when it's in direct contact via a bite and the fluids swap, the person gets infected and dies. It accounts for Michonne's pets. It accounts for the amputation. It accounts for the lack of care about touching zombie blood. See where I'm going?
I guess that makes sense? But then that just makes it very difficult to take seriously, considering how pervasive romero's zombies are to our culture. To remove it from that reality creates an interesting story but, the iconic slow moving zombie often transcends Romero. Most people don't even know who created the original zombie and assumed it always existed. I guess this is an adequate explanation, but that still doesn't completely discount the possibility that someone would assume the entire person is infected thus transfer of fluids could be fatal. Rick is the only one who presumably knows how the infection works. Plenty of other survivors to draw their own wild conclusions. It's just annoying that, they're ENTIRELY clueless. They don't even attempt to come up with their own explanation until Rick explains it for them.
As for the zombie bite, I would assume the people bitten in the opening days of the infection were eaten entirely and were never given a chance to walk. One of the unexplained paradoxes is how exactly the infection broke down society. You'll have questions of how so many zombies walk with no bites, when zombies clearly eat people. And I think that's partially explained by the fact that we aren't shown zombies numbering the millions, only thousands. They probably DID eat all the people they happened to grab, and the only ones remaining are those who died some other way.
Your clarification of the assumption that Romero never existed would give slightly more credence to this explanation, as people wouldn't naturally go for the head. People get bit, run away, explain they've been bitten, then in the confusion are shot out of fear they'll turn immediately. They did show soldiers lining up patients and shooting them (not in the head). Possible that it was a nation-wide order to execute bitten hospital patients. Not sure if the soldiers being immediately overran afterwards by a small horde represents the final days of society or if they just happened to be a small pack of soldiers caught off guard by a small pack of zombies.
Again, they could easily clear this up by simply showing a clean bite.
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Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway?
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Hmm good question...
I guess so, assuming the body reanimates itself so that only primary functions work. I guess they'd just shit/piss themselves as they walk. Christ they must smell bad :\
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If not overusing shitty magical "zombie jinx" trope ("epic" misfortune moments when confronting zombies, like "keys to sewer", "rain in the worst timing possible" or "get hurt while hiding before a horde") over and over again, this show would be much better.
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On October 23 2012 14:47 hitthat wrote:
If not overusing shitty magical "zombie jinx" trope ("epic" misfortune moments when confronting zombies, like "keys to sewer", "rain in the worst timing possible" or "get hurt while hiding before a horde") over and over again, this show would be much better.
So if nothing ever surprising happened with the zombies... Most boring show ever. It would just be gore scenes with no threat of dying because zombies are slow and the survivors would theoretically never be hurt by them. It would literally turn into "All My Children" soap opera except every 30min they'd have to shoot a zombie in the brain or something that happened to stumbled across them and then they'd go back to needless drama between the group.
Now that I typed that out I think I just acuratelly described how alot of the episodes are and that makes me sad. But so far I'm loving all of this season.
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10 bucks we see our old pal Merle next week. Was definitely him watching Carol in the woods.
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On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway?
Their organs don't function so I would assume that they don't digest anything and thus don't shit or piss... at least in the traditional sense. I guess they could technically eat so much flesh that it is forced all the way through their digestive track and out their ass to make it seem like they are shitting?
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On October 23 2012 14:32 RowdierBob wrote:
Do zombies poop? Where does all that flesh go anyway?
Everyone should give The Zombie Survival Guide a read (and it's companion, World War Z). Even if it's not the same mechanics as the show, the ideas inside are sound. According to that, the digestive tract is mostly still intact, but not working. So food/flesh just kind of sits in the zombie's throat or stomach until more gets eaten, and it gets pushed along down the tract, until it either a) gets forced out the far end (gross) or b) bursts out of the stomach from being too packed.
BTW, this season is already like 10x better than last season. They just need a gross moment to top "swollen well" zombie bursting in half lol.
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I read volumes 1 & 2 (issues 1-12) of the comic yesterday, which cover about the first two seasons of the TV show. + Show Spoiler +I was surprised to see how different it is. The show has everything fleshed out in much more detail, features a couple different characters, handles Shane very differently, spends much more time on Hershel's farm etc.
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