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On October 22 2012 23:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 22:33 rei wrote:
what kind of bullshit is this? if everybody already infected and only reanimated when they die then why would ppl turn undead while alive when they merely were bitten? Getting bit in the fucking leg will not kill a normal human being. Then there must be something in the undead's saliva that reacts with the virus already in the host? but if that's the case wouldn't all the host's own saliva turn react with the virus? or would it be that the virus only exist in the blood stream, and the human immune system produces something that try to counter the virus but also puts something in the saliva as a by-product. and if a live host ever lick his own wound he would turn to undead. So what in the fuck? somebody explain. ALSO TO EASE PEOPLE. The bite isn't what kills you, it's the infections that the zombies carry. Remember they're rotting corpses. They have all kinds of diseases that they carry, such as the flu, pneumonia, cancer, aids and all other kinds of diseases. The bite just helps transfer the diseases that will kill you and once you die, the zombie virus is what takes control afterwards. It explains it in the comics and the thing is, they didn't know they can stop the disease from spreading if they amputate. Now they just found out that is possible to save people by taking their limbs off because it stops the diseases from spreading and killing them. This has been talked about in this thread every season.
Thank you.
So yes, the characters know it most likely should be possible to save Hershel, but they all know it is very unlikely, especially given the unsanitary conditions they conducted the "operation" and the poor materials they had to treat it post-op.
There was no explicit need for Hershel to survive there at all, it was just an extremely unlikely scenario that the writers opted for, thus my consternation.
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The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth.
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On October 22 2012 23:31 Blisse wrote:
The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth.
You don't need to keep wandering around, it explains how it works in the comics. Everyone had the zombie virus, it doesn't explain how everyone has it, but they do and they only turn into zombies after dying (Rick shot Shane, HE DIDN'T GET BIT and he came back a zombie). Zombies don't carry the virus because everyone already has the virus, they only carry diseases that help kill a person. Once a person is dead, the zombie virus that every one has is what takes control and brings you back. If you read the comics or have seen the previous seasons, you will read, hear and see that the scientist clearly explain that the time it takes for some one to become a zombie can range from one minute through four hours. It depends on how quickly the zombie virus takes control after the person has died.
Also I kind of understand what you wrote, so if anything I said above has nothing to do with what you wrote, just ignore it.
But I think the reason why some one that was shot comes back quicker is because the body isn't decomposed. It's still in tact which helps the virus spread quicker through out the brain, but some one that was bit, the body dies because of all the infections and diseases it's carrying, so it takes longer for the virus to spread due to the body already being in terrible health.
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At this point, it's impossible to explain anything without saying "in the comic books." Either keep watching or read.
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Wow people in this thread are angry :O
I for one am loving this season. I didn't read the comics (and I don't want to now for fear of spoilers) but seriously this show is great. 
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On October 22 2012 23:40 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 23:31 Blisse wrote:
The infection theory doesn't make sense because that doesn't explain how someone who turned 3 minutes later like Shane could in theory kill someone with a bite. Unless your body undergoes some stupid decomposition, I don't like that theory to cover it. It doesn't cover all the points well enough.
I want to say it's an infection from direct contact with the zombie's saliva and the bloodstream, and that contact with air negates the effects of the saliva. It seems to account for most of the stuff, but I can't figure out how the saliva would work inside the zombie's mouth, and how it'd be different from not being inside the mouth. You don't need to keep wandering around, it explains how it works in the comics. Everyone had the zombie virus, it doesn't explain how everyone has it, but they do and they only turn into zombies after dying (Rick shot Shane, HE DIDN'T GET BIT and he came back a zombie). Zombies don't carry the virus because everyone already has the virus, they only carry diseases that help kill a person. Once a person is dead, the zombie virus that every one has is what takes control and brings you back. If you read the comics or have seen the previous seasons, you will read, hear and see that the scientist clearly explain that the time it takes for some one to become a zombie can range from one minute through four hours. It depends on how quickly the zombie virus takes control after the person has died. Also I kind of understand what you wrote, so if anything I said above has nothing to do with what you wrote, just ignore it. But I think the reason why some one that was shot comes back quicker is because the body isn't decomposed. It's still in tact which helps the virus spread quicker through out the brain, but some one that was bit, the body dies because of all the infections and diseases it's carrying, so it takes longer for the virus to spread due to the body already being in terrible health.
I meant, the theory about the bacteria in the mouth makes no sense if a person who died 3 minutes ago reanimates and can still theoretically bite to infect someone. The germs in the mouth wouldn't have festered long enough to be dangerous.
Another idea that makes sense is if dying causes the infected brain, like those scans at the CDC showed, to do something with the walker's saliva so that it reacts with live blood and causes it to squirt out that dark-ish fluid, like in the scene where Andrea's sister is bit. It's pretty far-fetched, but again, I'm looking for something that covers all the bases. It seems to make some sense for how Michonne's cutting off the mouths and saliva glands of her zombies work, though apparently Kirkman also allows for some training of the zombies so Michonne's zombies are obedient. :/
Just theorizing at this point.
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In my opinion i'ts pretty clear that this season has started really well.
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two episodes in and already we have more zombie deaths than entire season two yay
good to see that rick is starting to slip. I think it will create some interesting dynamics in the group... maybe a possible mutiny?
also, cant help but think that they need to find a basketball and clean up that area outside so they can shoot some hoops
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On October 22 2012 23:12 p4NDemik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2012 23:07 ShoCkeyy wrote:On October 22 2012 22:33 rei wrote:
what kind of bullshit is this? if everybody already infected and only reanimated when they die then why would ppl turn undead while alive when they merely were bitten? Getting bit in the fucking leg will not kill a normal human being. Then there must be something in the undead's saliva that reacts with the virus already in the host? but if that's the case wouldn't all the host's own saliva turn react with the virus? or would it be that the virus only exist in the blood stream, and the human immune system produces something that try to counter the virus but also puts something in the saliva as a by-product. and if a live host ever lick his own wound he would turn to undead. So what in the fuck? somebody explain. ALSO TO EASE PEOPLE. The bite isn't what kills you, it's the infections that the zombies carry. Remember they're rotting corpses. They have all kinds of diseases that they carry, such as the flu, pneumonia, cancer, aids and all other kinds of diseases. The bite just helps transfer the diseases that will kill you and once you die, the zombie virus is what takes control afterwards. It explains it in the comics and the thing is, they didn't know they can stop the disease from spreading if they amputate. Now they just found out that is possible to save people by taking their limbs off because it stops the diseases from spreading and killing them. This has been talked about in this thread every season. Thank you. So yes, the characters know it most likely should be possible to save Hershel, but they all know it is very unlikely, especially given the unsanitary conditions they conducted the "operation" and the poor materials they had to treat it post-op. There was no explicit need for Hershel to survive there at all, it was just an extremely unlikely scenario that the writers opted for, thus my consternation.
I just thought saliva/bodily fluids from zombies activated the infection, and kills them; not something the dead bodies carried.
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Really enjoying season 3 myself. Season 2 I found underwhelming as well as some of the later parts of season 1, but these 2 episodes so far are really good shit. Never read the comics but I'm enjoying this so far =).
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this is a great comeback to the series ever since hershel's unlimited ammo hack
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I have a question for those who have read the comics.
Is there any occurrence of a death caused by a recently turned zombie bite?
example: a guy dies from a stab in the heart, turn into zombie, bite someone almost instantly after being turned... the person who was bitten dies later on from this bite.
I think if this has happened, it is a proof that the bite of a zombie is not fatal because of the infections, but something else...
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I think this season have started strong.
Also 5 bucks on that the white prisoner is a rapist or some shit and something will happen and he will get his hand on some chick in the group.
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On October 23 2012 02:35 Gosi wrote:
I think this season have started strong.
Also 5 bucks on that the white prisoner is a rapist or some shit and something will happen and he will get his hand on some chick in the group.
Comic spoilers ahead (it's clear it won't happen the same way in the show, but some aspects may be similar.
+ Show Spoiler +In the comic a couple of girls of the group are brutally beheaded in the prison and everyone inmediatly blames the agressive black guy, but in the ends it turns out that the killer was the well spoken white guy who was actually a serial killer.
On October 23 2012 02:29 rpgalon wrote:
I have a question for those who have read the comics.
Is there any occurrence of a death caused by a recently turned zombie bite?
example: a guy dies from a stab in the heart, turn into zombie, bite someone almost instantly after being turned... the person who was bitten dies later on from this bite.
I think if this has happened, it is a proof that the bite of a zombie is not fatal because of the infections, but something else...
It's been a while since a read the comics, but I think Kirkman himself said that the whole point of being the "Walking Dead" is that they are all infected and that dead by any means brings reanimation.
I think people getting a bite from a rotten corpse, and even a non rotten one, would be in for a massive infection without proper antibiotics. But it would probably take a while for them to die and so the whole process has to be speed up as to not slow down the story too much.
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On October 23 2012 02:39 CrimsonLotus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:35 Gosi wrote:
I think this season have started strong.
Also 5 bucks on that the white prisoner is a rapist or some shit and something will happen and he will get his hand on some chick in the group. Comic spoilers ahead (it's clear it won't happen the same way in the show, but some aspects may be similar. + Show Spoiler +In the comic a couple of girls of the group are brutally beheaded in the prison and everyone inmediatly blames the agressive black guy, but in the ends it turns out that the killer was the well spoken white guy who was actually a serial killer. Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:29 rpgalon wrote:
I have a question for those who have read the comics.
Is there any occurrence of a death caused by a recently turned zombie bite?
example: a guy dies from a stab in the heart, turn into zombie, bite someone almost instantly after being turned... the person who was bitten dies later on from this bite.
I think if this has happened, it is a proof that the bite of a zombie is not fatal because of the infections, but something else... It's been a while since a read the comics, but I think Kirkman himself said that the whole point of being the "Walking Dead" is that they are all infected and that dead by any means brings reanimation. I think people getting a bite from a rotten corpse, and even a non rotten one, would be in for a massive infection without proper antibiotics. But it would probably take a while for them to die and so the whole process has to be speed up as to not slow down the story too much.
I'm of the thinking that the infection, once triggered by death, becomes a virus that can be transmitted via bite/scratch. This is a unique infection that almost guarantees the death of the person bitten/scratched.
In all honesty no-one really knows. All we know is that bites/scratches cause some sort of infection that essentially spells death.
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so considering getting bit by a new zombie turns you into a zombie, getting bit by a normal human or just randomly injured also turns you into a zombie?
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On October 23 2012 03:03 Diglett wrote:
so considering getting bit by a new zombie turns you into a zombie, getting bit by a normal human or just randomly injured also turns you into a zombie?
Death = zombie
That's about all we know. As to what causes a zombie bite/scratch to be so infectious that a person is almost guaranteed to die, no one knows.
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On October 23 2012 03:03 Diglett wrote:
so considering getting bit by a new zombie turns you into a zombie, getting bit by a normal human or just randomly injured also turns you into a zombie?
Only if you die.
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Was I the only one who chuckled when the prisoners see the first zombies in the hallway and proceed to charge and beat em drive-by gang-war style? Mudhole stomping and the big guy even holding one while they shank them in the stomach repeatedly. Rofl
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