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+ Show Spoiler +I think one plot hole with the end is what happened to his mother-in-law or whoever it was on the phone taking care of the kids.
Oh, some shady japanese suit erased your criminal record, ok I'll forgive you for killing my daughter.
If it was just Michael Caine watching the kids and he was cool with cobb, why didn't they just move the kids to paris?
I think cobb was fully willing to live in a dream forever, he just needed an ariadne to help him get rid of the minotaur.
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The movie was, in my opinion, fantastic. They took a very engaging and interesting idea, and laid it out in a manner that made it clear to understand without oversimplifying it. They had a great plot to explore the idea, and a cool alternate story going on with the main character. On top of all of that, it had great acting, great special effects, and was action packed. It's kind of like everything you could want from a movie.
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Saw it last night - great movie.
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RAGGHHHH I need to see this movie already.... damnit I have to wait till end of next week :'(
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Incredible...just incredible. Am seeing again in IMAX
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On July 17 2010 16:45 MyStiC_Chaos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2010 15:49 Xeris wrote:It was good, but overhyped IMO. I thought it was too long and I actually got bored halfway through, and I can't ever recall a movie in which I actually got bored in the theater. + Show Spoiler +
I don't understand how people are saying it was a mind fuck? What was mind fucking about it? Literally everything was clearly laid out and explained. The only ambiguity in the movie at all was the end - and I thought that was the worst part. It seemed so forced and pretentious on the part of Nolan that I just couldn't take it seriously.
I saw that shit coming from a mile away and I was really hoping he wouldn't go there. That was like the rat in the Departed all over again, it bugged the hell out of me. I would have liked it a lot better if there was a different ending, maybe he wakes up with his wife and kids to find out that actually the entire movie was just a crazy dream, that would've been fun. But nope, we get the annoying symbolism, the top spinning.. "OMG IS IT GONNA FALL, IS THIS REAL?!?!?!!?!!!!" ... womp womp
The best thing about the movie was Cobb's inner conflict, and the inception idea at all. The rest of it was a TON of filler (and by ton I mean about 2 hours, because we only spend about 30 minutes actually focusing on Cobb even though I feel like he's supposed to be the focal point) and some pretty uninteresting action sequences.
And I also thought they were getting needlessly complex just for the sake of trying to make the audience go "OMG WOW WHATS HAPPENINGGGGGGGGGG" (which obviously happened)... They go into a dream, then go into another dream, then go into a dream of a guy who's dreaming and pretending to be another guy, etc ... was all this really necessary?
Why was that Russian guy the only person who could just dopplegang someone else? Couldn't someone have just dopplegang'd the guy's dad from the beginning, given that end lecture, and skipped the whole fucking 1.5 hours in between point A to point B? You really only needed to plant that idea (accomplished right as they went into the dream), then have someone pretend to be the dad to give that last recognition, and bam.. problem solved.
Overall, meh.. I liked it but I was just bummed out about all the hype. This is avatar all over again for me.
+ Show Spoiler +Well I already explained your questioning of it being a mindfuck in a post a few minutes ago.
They needed 2 hours to settle Cobb's inner conflict. His inner conflict was with his dreams and his past with his wife. In order to fully confront that conflict, he needed to delve deeper into dreams and then go into limbo. Instead of just creating a movie about Cobb solving ONLY his inner conflicts, Nolan threw in a great plot to get to the point of limbo where Cobb could resolve his conflicts. It would be boring just to see Cobb go through layers of dreams without any action or secondary goal.
It wasn't even that complex... They went into a guy's dream who dreamt about dreaming. That's not hard to follow. I've felt like everyone I've read who watched the movie had an idea of what was happening. That doesn't speak for everyone, but it wasn't "needlessly complex". The whole idea of inception is complex and many knew that going into the movie.
The Russian guy was the only one who was skilled in doppelganging... That was revealed I believe when they spoke. Everyone had their own skills.. I don't think they could have doppelganged Fischer's father from the beginning. Fischer had to have projected him in order to believe it. The plan was a 3 layer dream so that they could plant the idea deep. His father, even though they didn't have a great relationship, was obviously important to him. I doubt they could have doppelganged him... They had to plant the idea deep, so they devised a plot where he would go deep into his dreams to see his father. If they did it at the beginning, Fischer would have known that they were performing inception.
I don't think it was overhyped at all. I didn't really see much hype for it aside from the usual for a movie. It wasn't as hyped as Avatar or Grown-Ups, which I've yet to see. Avatar was still good, but I agree it was overhyped.
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What do you mean? He didn't go into limbo. Limbo is when you die in a dream when you're sedated. We actually don't ever find out anything about being in limbo other than it's bad and that Cobb says "I was in limbo once." Just because Cobb and his wife grew old together in their dream doesn't mean he was in limbo, because when they died (somehow they grew old together -> then became young again when they killed themselves in the dream to wake up... doesn't make sense) they actually woke up, which means they weren't sedated, which means they weren't in limbo.
At the end, he saves Saiko from being in a state of limbo (or I guess the other thing you could say is that he fails and goes into limbo himself and the end is his dream.... but then again, a state of limbo is thought of as being bad, and I think it's a pretty fucking good place to be if you're happy with your kids... this is another thing that doesn't make sense).
Also, if they could dopplegang his godfather from the very first stage, who arguably had as close of a relationship to Fischer as he did with his father, then they could have dopplegang'd his father. If they didn't need Fischer to project the godfather first, why would they have needed him to project the father? You're just spitting out what you saw in the movie and saying "ya DUH this is how it had to be," when I would argue it didn't at all, and they just made the movie more drawn out than it needed to be to fill in the action-movie complex.
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Best movie I've seen in the longest time. Easily climbed up to the same rank as Fight Club, The Matrix, The Butterfly Effect, etc. After watching it I felt like I had just watched the best movie ever in my life - but obviously you always feel really excited after just having watched a really great movie ^^
After the biggest disappointing movie that I had seen for the longest time (Predators) I am happy I saw this. Don't downloaded this movie. Go out to a theater (preferably IMAX lol) for the full experience ^_^
The movie def is a mind fuck. In general the storyline is fairly easy to follow but when it's finished you'll start questioning yourself about certain elements and realities and nobody will be able to give you a definite answer; which now leads to the discussion in this threat where everybody shares their own interpretation. 
Also, def not an overhyped movie, Avatar was. But as far as Avatar was amazing++ in graphics and immersion, Inception is in its storyline. And where Avatar lacked heavily in its storyline and character development etc, Inception also delivers in the graphics department.
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+ Show Spoiler +I think limbo just means you lose connection with your kick.
You think you woke up, but you're still dreaming and no external force can bring you back.
Then once the sedatives wear off you can break yourself out if you recognize it as a dream.
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It was a freaking amazing movie. Thought provoking and nice action and animation.
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one of the greatest movies i've ever seen
i have a thing where when people hype up a movie for me and tell me its legendary, i start to raise the bar for the movie and when i finally see it...; it turns out to be shitty and i get disappointed but i honestly thought that easily inception was one of the best stories i've ever seen on film
the last 10 minutes was awesome.. and even if they took out the last 10 minutes and replaced it with a miley cyrus concert, the beginning and middle would have been enough for me to think that it was a good movie.
A+
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I saw it last night. It was pretty good but not great. The gunfights were long and awkward. They were tension for tension's sake. I admit that without the whole 'everyone in the dreamworld is trying to get you' thing it wouldn't have been exciting, but there's a separation between tension and plot. The actual job, putting the memory in the guy's head, wasn't difficult at all, just doing it without getting shot. The film would have carried more of an impact if the tensions stemmed from the plot itself instead of the additional presence of big guns.
EDIT: I liked the movie, but mostly for its potential. The idea of this underground world of dreamhackers was excellent. It just felt like it wasn't executed as well as it could have been.
One final random note: I loved the first few minutes the best, when it was disjointed like a real dream. That was the only time that dreamworld really felt like dreaming. If I were making Inception I would have tried to impress the dreamlike aesthetic into the entire setting, but in that case it probably wouldn't be making as much money.
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EDIT: I liked the movie, but mostly for its potential. The idea of this underground world of dreamhackers was excellent. It just felt like it wasn't executed as well as it could have been.
This... the movie was a big disappointment for me because it was basically peppered with amazing ideas that were never developed. Pretty much every cool idea they set up and then completely ignore and then even lose track of. Like dying takes you to limbo, dying wakes you up, dying brings you up a dream level, then limbo isn't dangerous at all... wtf?
Massive disappointment for me. Wish they hadn't focused on the oh-no-guilt-grief thing that we've all seen a million times, when they had SO MUCH POTENTIAL and literally wasted it all.
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+ Show Spoiler +Going into limbo when you're in someone else's dream and they're not there with you will make you go insane. I don't think there was any confusion there. When Cobb was in limbo, he was in a dream with Mal and they were together and building things.
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Man, I'm planing to have a dream inside my dream inside my dream.. except that LIMBO is always a scary shit for me since it's mostly composed of night terrors and nightmares 
+ Show Spoiler +excellent movie, the first part was pretty "boring" but was well informative so that the audience wouldn't be wtf just happened when they watched the next action packed phase..
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On July 18 2010 02:30 Liquid`Tyler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Going into limbo when you're in someone else's dream and they're not there with you will make you go insane. I don't think there was any confusion there. When Cobb was in limbo, he was in a dream with Mal and they were together and building things.
+ Show Spoiler +Didn't Saito go into limbo in someone else's dream, though? He seemed fairly sane when he was an old man...and he didn't seem that messed up when he woke up on the airplane either.
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+ Show Spoiler +Why did people grow older physically in the dream? And what about lucid dreamers (though I suppose all of them are lucidly dreaming...)? Why couldn't you just, say, dream yourself a bazooka when you needed to blast some subconscious patrollers?
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On July 18 2010 03:23 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:30 Liquid`Tyler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Going into limbo when you're in someone else's dream and they're not there with you will make you go insane. I don't think there was any confusion there. When Cobb was in limbo, he was in a dream with Mal and they were together and building things. + Show Spoiler +Didn't Saito go into limbo in someone else's dream, though? He seemed fairly sane when he was an old man...and he didn't seem that messed up when he woke up on the airplane either. Also, + Show Spoiler +Why did people grow older physically in the dream? And what about lucid dreamers (though I suppose all of them are lucidly dreaming...)? Why couldn't you just, say, dream yourself a bazooka when you needed to blast some subconscious patrollers?
regarding Saito
+ Show Spoiler +It's possible that Saito is sharing his dream world to Cobb (which is ideal for Cobb) since it's his end of the bargain agreement, When he said "I have to honor my word". Yeah, I think it's already been decades in Saito's Limbo, inwhich both have forgotten what were their true purpose in the first place before meeting on that table.
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This movie was friken fantastic! It was a bit long, but I loved every minute of it. 10/10
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Saying that it is up to the viewer whether the top spins or falls misses the point. The value of that scene is that Ted accepted his world as reality, and was not relying on signifiers to convince him what is real. It doesn't matter if the top keeps going or falls.
Also, the film very subtly spoke to the audience in direct terms, planting the idea of "inception" in a fairly methodical way. And I can say that I dreamed pretty heavy this past night, and some of the ideas from the movie did hit me mid-dream.
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On July 18 2010 03:23 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2010 02:30 Liquid`Tyler wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Going into limbo when you're in someone else's dream and they're not there with you will make you go insane. I don't think there was any confusion there. When Cobb was in limbo, he was in a dream with Mal and they were together and building things. + Show Spoiler +Didn't Saito go into limbo in someone else's dream, though? He seemed fairly sane when he was an old man...and he didn't seem that messed up when he woke up on the airplane either. Also, + Show Spoiler +Why did people grow older physically in the dream? And what about lucid dreamers (though I suppose all of them are lucidly dreaming...)? Why couldn't you just, say, dream yourself a bazooka when you needed to blast some subconscious patrollers?
The Russian dude got himself a bazooka or w/e that big gun was. He was like "dream bigger" or whatever, when his friend was shooting a machine gun.
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