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On June 03 2016 14:15 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:12 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"? I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense. Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did. It's a fact that the only thing Secret could do after the draft was play embaressingly bad and lose? So what you are saying is that it was their actual game plan to lose the game? Because they had to realize what Na'Vi was picking quite early as it was bleedingly obvious so I assume they thought they could win with that draft. Sacking ur Clinkz for a farmed Beastmaster and Dark Seer is never gonna win you the game against what Na'Vi had. What makes you think that farming a clinkz that was from behind will have better results. FFS the draft suck. Blame the draft. Stop blaming what Envy did.
Envy drafted too. And played terribly on top of that.
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seeing this game, maybe dc was on to something with their game 2 draft.
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IF DC wins this game, that will be on DotaCinema :D
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Yeah game of thows is super real
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This team was said to be the worst team in the tournament outside of Mineski.
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skadi before bkb is killing wings. If slark had an BKB he would be dumpstering DC right now.
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w33 has done a LOT of catching up on net worth this game
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On June 03 2016 14:16 trollcenter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:15 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:12 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"? I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense. Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did. It's a fact that the only thing Secret could do after the draft was play embaressingly bad and lose? So what you are saying is that it was their actual game plan to lose the game? Because they had to realize what Na'Vi was picking quite early as it was bleedingly obvious so I assume they thought they could win with that draft. Sacking ur Clinkz for a farmed Beastmaster and Dark Seer is never gonna win you the game against what Na'Vi had. What makes you think that farming a clinkz that was from behind will have better results. FFS the draft suck. Blame the draft. Stop blaming what Envy did. Envy drafted too. And played terribly on top of that.
So the straight rEEtarded draft and the rEEtarded fEEd lost the game? Classic EE teams
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Just got back.
I thought it wouldn't be as funny watching Secret lose again for a 4th time, but I was wrong.
Still funny.
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Envy wasn't tactical feeding. He wasn't trying to play the bounty hunter mobile ward role. It only looked like it because envy died. Envy was playing standard clinkz, where you roam after 6 looking for snipes, especially when there's that juicy io to feed on. It failed because of good awarding by navi, which denied envy any opportunity to farm heroes.
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Is this the same Wings that is better than Newbee? Again man, DC will win this major. Mark my words rofl
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Arkazon rooting for the Chinese to win, what's next, a Trump presidency? Though the grudge and memes would be amazing if we get DC vs Secret but I think DC is going to win this game.
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On June 03 2016 14:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:
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Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights. There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights. Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz.
Rtz got farm, so did universe and Puppey. And they did decent in a couple and fights, and could almost have won a few more. They were catching up and doing decently till the fail around rosh. But you go ahead and run your 1 core line-up vs sladar/wr and a drow push strat. I'm pretty sure that won't ever work.
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On June 03 2016 14:16 trollcenter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:15 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:12 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"? I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense. Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did. It's a fact that the only thing Secret could do after the draft was play embaressingly bad and lose? So what you are saying is that it was their actual game plan to lose the game? Because they had to realize what Na'Vi was picking quite early as it was bleedingly obvious so I assume they thought they could win with that draft. Sacking ur Clinkz for a farmed Beastmaster and Dark Seer is never gonna win you the game against what Na'Vi had. What makes you think that farming a clinkz that was from behind will have better results. FFS the draft suck. Blame the draft. Stop blaming what Envy did. Envy drafted too. And played terribly on top of that.
Yea i know some smart alec is going to counter me with the excuse that EE is drafting. Then you realise nobody here in this LR disagree that the draft suck. EE drafting badly and dying while creating space in enemy's jungle are 2 totally different issues.
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On June 03 2016 14:18 Azarkon wrote:
This team was said to be the worst team in the tournament outside of Mineski.
DC was only the 2nd worse in this tournament if you hadn't watched any Dota in the last 2 weeks. Yeah, they've mostly beat up on Complexity, but there's sort of 2 Shanghai Major winners sitting on the team. It's not like w33ha wasn't one of the 3 best players at Shanghai.
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On June 03 2016 14:19 Danzo wrote:
Is this the same Wings that is better than Newbee? Again man, DC will win this major. Mark my words rofl
I think Wings more has Newbee figured out more than DC is a tournament contender. (But they're my top 6 Dark horse.)
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