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On June 03 2016 14:09 Azarkon wrote:
No Secret against old players, shit
Wait, are you upset that a Chinese team is losing? rofl
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These fucking plays out of Newbee god damn
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On June 03 2016 14:09 Baozi wrote:
dc is doing it?
don't think so, wings scale much better. even with these won fights wings have a lot of time left and a lot of margin for error. they need to screw up a couple more times at least.
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On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story. Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights. There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently.
Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is.
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On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story. Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights. There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope.
I'm pretty sure when team's draft a lineup they envision a certain plan or goal, more often than not when you start losing that vision won't be achieved. Was it ideal that EE ends up having to roam around way earlier than he liked? No, but circumstances meant that he felt his could serve his team best by roaming around and attempting to create space. There are many lines of play and if EE got actual momentum people would be hailing him as great.
The draft from Secret sucked, their early game play was mediocre, and communication was god awful but there was logic in EE's play and while unsuccessful seems like a line of play I'd agree with.
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On June 03 2016 14:10 Danzo wrote:
Never underestimate DC people. I'm telling you.
It's SUNsfan's direction to play badly early game to make room for comeback plays that will be used as material for the upcoming Top Play on Dotacinema.
DC already won this Major, we just don't know it yet.
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Didn't even need a chrono holy shit
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That was a risky as hell swap :S
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On June 03 2016 14:05 babysimba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"? I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense. Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did.
It's a fact that the only thing Secret could do after the draft was play embaressingly bad and lose? So what you are saying is that it was their actual game plan to lose the game? Because they had to realize what Na'Vi was picking quite early as it was bleedingly obvious so I assume they thought they could win with that draft.
Sacking ur Clinkz for a farmed Beastmaster and Dark Seer is never gonna win you the game against what Na'Vi had.
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Lets go boys. DC vs Secret grudgematch in group elimination match
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whole set of buy back
this is why we love Wings !
BALLLSSS
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On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story. Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights. There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is.
Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights.
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So Newbee taking game 1 it seems.
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Wings flashy play is on par with MVP's
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Wings might be the most yolo team in chinese history. They do whatever they want.
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On June 03 2016 14:12 ddayzy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:05 babysimba wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs. So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"? I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense. Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did. It's a fact that the only thing Secret could do after the draft was play embaressingly bad and lose? So what you are saying is that it was their actual game plan to lose the game? Because they had to realize what Na'Vi was picking quite early as it was bleedingly obvious so I assume they thought they could win with that draft. Sacking ur Clinkz for a farmed Beastmaster and Dark Seer is never gonna win you the game against what Na'Vi had.
What makes you think that farming a clinkz that was from behind will have better results. FFS the draft suck. Blame the draft. Stop blaming what Envy did.
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fucking Newbee god fucking damn
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On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:
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Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story. Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights. There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights.
Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz.
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When you play of the game of throws you lose win and then die
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