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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
June 03 2016 05:02 GMT
#621
looks like DC just doesn't have any damage in this game
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
June 03 2016 05:03 GMT
#622
On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs.


Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story.

Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights.


There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole.

It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight.


Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen.

No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all.


Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope.
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ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
259 Posts
June 03 2016 05:03 GMT
#623
On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs.


So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"?

I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2016 05:03 GMT
#624
On June 03 2016 14:02 nayumi wrote:
I hope DC and Wings make it to 3rd game so that I can watch Navi's next game when I get back home, another 40 mins before I can leave and i'll take about an hour to drive home


They're in game 3. But it could be a long one.
Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
June 03 2016 05:04 GMT
#625
Oh thank god Wings is winning. I really need to see a Secret vs DC matchup
3/22/16 The Day EG Died
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
June 03 2016 05:04 GMT
#626
On June 03 2016 13:53 MaCRo.gg wrote:
EG: wins TI without RTZ then no LAN victories then RTZ leaves.
C9: EE literally dismantles the team with his lovely character.

Why do people keep cheering for these guys?


They're pretty much walking memes at this point. Arteezy ride his success from a young super star at MLG and strong showing in the earlly PPD's EG. Now he's just known as Mr. BabyRage and EE well he's EE.
Getting too old for this..
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
June 03 2016 05:04 GMT
#627
Newbee with the sick outplays
secret - never again
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
June 03 2016 05:05 GMT
#628
On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs.


So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"?

I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense.

Whether the strategy is a winning one is another issue. The fact is the best they could do after the draft was set was what Envy did.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 03 2016 05:05 GMT
#629
On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:54 Testuser wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:52 OuchyDathurts wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs.


Was their plan to farm no one then? Arteezy was literally 4 position kunkka, if you're not farming clinkz you're not winning, end of story.

Their plan was to farm RTZ, Universe and Puppey. Quite clearly. Yeah, rtz didn't play a great Kunkka, but if EE hadn't played the way he did I'm pretty sure he never gets ANY farm, and Na'vi will just take the towers way earlier. If my team got that far behind early and I'm on a clinkz vs a drow strat with io, sladar, wr then I'll play the same way. You're not winning that by getting a farmed Clinkz, you need to get good teamfights.


There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole.

It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight.


Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen.

No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all.


Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope.

Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently.
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2016 05:06 GMT
#630
Huh, I think Fly finally found a good hero for N0Tail. Who knew it would be Viper?
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
June 03 2016 05:06 GMT
#631
On June 03 2016 14:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 14:02 nayumi wrote:
I hope DC and Wings make it to 3rd game so that I can watch Navi's next game when I get back home, another 40 mins before I can leave and i'll take about an hour to drive home


They're in game 3. But it could be a long one.

Damn .. praying for sudden technical failure and 1 hour pause!

(sorry guys )
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
June 03 2016 05:06 GMT
#632
typicall game where Hao feed and Mu fatting up
-Terran-
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 03 2016 05:07 GMT
#633
On June 03 2016 13:53 MaCRo.gg wrote:
EG: wins TI without RTZ then no LAN victories then RTZ leaves.
C9: EE literally dismantles the team with his lovely character.

Why do people keep cheering for these guys?

Because this is complete nonsense, probably.

But don't let facts get in the way of blind hate.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 03 2016 05:08 GMT
#634
On June 03 2016 14:03 ddayzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:51 Testuser wrote:
All be completely honest: Is Godz stupid? Does he not realise that all the space they got for the first 25 minutes where due to Envy dragging them over to their side of the map? Yeah, he didn't die, and that fight at rosh was bad, but he was the space the that secret got. I normally don't mind Godz, but wow ... that was so frustrating to look at. Clearly their plan wasn't to farm him, ffs.


So you think Secrets game plan was to not get any farm on the Clinkz and have him hide somewhere in Na'Vi's woods going "trololol u must find me so now my kunkka can farm and win us the game"?

I'm fairly sure that's not a winning strategy. but I'm glad there is one other person out there besides Envy who thinks that draft, gameplan and gameplay makes sense.

That's what they were forced to do after losing the early game, yes. And it wasn't just Kunkka getting farm, it was mostly DS + Beastmaster. And yeah, I def' think that's the gameplan with the highest chance after the way their early game went. If for example their rotation bot wasn't scouted out by the ward Puppey JUST missed, then I think they're likely to win. Credit to Na'vi for playing well, but I think that's the reason they won (and rtz not being a kunkka player), not EE or the general draft (although that was weaker).
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
June 03 2016 05:08 GMT
#635
if the whole Wings guys Blademail, will gyro auto suicide
-Terran-
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
June 03 2016 05:08 GMT
#636
On June 03 2016 14:04 Danzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:53 MaCRo.gg wrote:
EG: wins TI without RTZ then no LAN victories then RTZ leaves.
C9: EE literally dismantles the team with his lovely character.

Why do people keep cheering for these guys?


They're pretty much walking memes at this point. Arteezy ride his success from a young super star at MLG and strong showing in the earlly PPD's EG. Now he's just known as Mr. BabyRage and EE well he's EE.

I mean they are both legit talented players, but EE has decision making, drafting, and team cohesion issues, and RTZ has issues getting along with some teamamtes. RTZ is more likely to out grow it, but they've both shown what they can do with a roster that works with them.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Baozi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1191 Posts
June 03 2016 05:09 GMT
#637
dc is doing it?
"Universe is very spacey, we called him space man. He made a lot of space." - Arteezy
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 03 2016 05:09 GMT
#638
No Secret against old players, shit
Danzo
Profile Joined March 2011
2820 Posts
June 03 2016 05:10 GMT
#639
Never underestimate DC people. I'm telling you.
Getting too old for this..
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
June 03 2016 05:10 GMT
#640
On June 03 2016 14:00 Thetwinmasters wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 03 2016 13:56 M.S.Bismarck wrote:
On June 03 2016 13:48 maze. wrote:
Dendi rampage and Rtz ragequit. Best possible end for the game.

Quoted for truth.

Over to DC vs Wings. This is a closer match-is that a support Brewmaster?!

its mid brew

Alright, didn't catch the start.

Freakin' Moo with the Doom ult onto Brew though. He's all the American the team needs.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
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