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On June 03 2016 14:19 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:57 OuchyDathurts wrote:
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There's nothing to farm. Kunkka doesn't flash farm and he was catastrophically behind. There was never a chance of him catching up unless secret hit some monster wombo combos. But it turns out Arteezy can't combo on Kunkka, let alone combo into a vac. Your ONLY hope is clinkz getting out of hand and just 3 shotting everyone and running around being dead isn't going to accomplish that goal. Kunkka doesn't farm his way out of that hole. It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights. Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz. Rtz got farm, so did universe and Puppey. And they did decent in a couple and fights, and could almost have won a few more. They were catching up and doing decently till the fail around rosh. But you go ahead and run your 1 core line-up vs sladar/wr and a drow push strat. I'm pretty sure that won't ever work.
Odds are it won't work, but the opposite has literally no chance of ever working. At some point you say this game is a lost cause, in EE-sama we trust! Pretty sure there's a reason Fear played Kunkka if EG ever played it.
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Wings have been morally defeated
they play extremely passive compared to before the throw
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On June 03 2016 14:25 Vertical wrote:
Wings have been morally defeated
they play extremely passive compared to before the throw
They're running out of Damage pretty soon. And Doom can keep scaling as well.
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In a remarkable twist of fate, the team with more Americans didn't lose.
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Damn it am I really not going to get to see DC vs Secret at this major ever
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On June 03 2016 14:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:19 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 13:58 Testuser wrote:
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It wasn't just Kunkka though. It was Puppey and Universe too. Clinkz wont go around 3-shotting heroes vs that team, too easy to jump him in a fight. Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights. Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz. Rtz got farm, so did universe and Puppey. And they did decent in a couple and fights, and could almost have won a few more. They were catching up and doing decently till the fail around rosh. But you go ahead and run your 1 core line-up vs sladar/wr and a drow push strat. I'm pretty sure that won't ever work. Odds are it won't work, but the opposite has literally no chance of ever working. At some point you say this game is a lost cause, in EE-sama we trust! Pretty sure there's a reason Fear played Kunkka if EG ever played it.
Again, you're completely wrong. You're not winning that game with a single core. Not gonna happen. Much better to rely on your team overall and attempt some combos. Na'vi playing exceptionally well is what won them the game, along with a generally stronger draft and rtz dying multiple times early. For how the early game went Secret without a doubt played in the correct manner.
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On June 03 2016 14:30 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Damn it am I really not going to get to see DC vs Secret at this major ever
You might still, in case Natus Vincere wins.
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On June 03 2016 14:30 Testuser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:19 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 13:59 OuchyDathurts wrote:
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Puppey and universe weren't going to win that either. Clinkz was your entire hope and he was dead half the game. The way you win that game is Clinkz raping everyone which requires farm, or vac into torrent into boat which was very clearly never going to happen. No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights. Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz. Rtz got farm, so did universe and Puppey. And they did decent in a couple and fights, and could almost have won a few more. They were catching up and doing decently till the fail around rosh. But you go ahead and run your 1 core line-up vs sladar/wr and a drow push strat. I'm pretty sure that won't ever work. Odds are it won't work, but the opposite has literally no chance of ever working. At some point you say this game is a lost cause, in EE-sama we trust! Pretty sure there's a reason Fear played Kunkka if EG ever played it. Again, you're completely wrong. You're not winning that game with a single core. Not gonna happen. Much better to rely on your team overall and attempt some combos. Na'vi playing exceptionally well is what won them the game, along with a generally stronger draft and rtz dying multiple times early. For how the early game went Secret without a doubt played in the correct manner.
The odds of you winning it on zero cores, which is what they were trying, are even lower. The game was 95+% over by 8 minutes. Letting it ride on EE was their best chance even if it was an insane long shot. Team has no hope anyway so doesn't much matter.
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this needs to end soon, I wanna watch OG vs Newbee
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On June 03 2016 14:33 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2016 14:30 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:24 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:19 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:16 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:13 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:11 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:05 Testuser wrote:On June 03 2016 14:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:On June 03 2016 14:01 Testuser wrote:
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No way. Too easy to kill Clinkz in this game in teamfights. I don't think that plan is solid at all. Thats the only plan otherwise you just lose anyway. The other 4 making space for EE they have a chance, EE making space for them has no hope. Again, I think you're terribly wrong. A solo core vs wr + sladar with drow aura? And vs a drow strat that can just push early? The other 4 heroes also can't really make as much space as an elusive clinkz can. I guess we just perceive dota differently. Making space for a utility BM, Utility DS, and a terrible terrible terrible Kunkka is a recipe for losing. The game was 90% lost at the draft, then 95% lost after laning. Get clinkz into an MKB and actual items and protect him while he rips dicks off with those utility items. Those 3 utility heroes aren't ever going to carry the game honestly, ESPECIALLY given how god awful Artour's Junkka is. Again, I think you're wrong. 1 core vs that Na'vi team is begging to lose. Better to play for some good teamfights. Instead you're fighting navi with zero cores. Arteezy was completely and utterly sacced and you're going to sac your other core too? You've just sacrificed your two core heroes so now you have none, great. Whats the plan now? Let it ride on 2 utility heroes? You need to let it ride on your Clinkz. Rtz got farm, so did universe and Puppey. And they did decent in a couple and fights, and could almost have won a few more. They were catching up and doing decently till the fail around rosh. But you go ahead and run your 1 core line-up vs sladar/wr and a drow push strat. I'm pretty sure that won't ever work. Odds are it won't work, but the opposite has literally no chance of ever working. At some point you say this game is a lost cause, in EE-sama we trust! Pretty sure there's a reason Fear played Kunkka if EG ever played it. Again, you're completely wrong. You're not winning that game with a single core. Not gonna happen. Much better to rely on your team overall and attempt some combos. Na'vi playing exceptionally well is what won them the game, along with a generally stronger draft and rtz dying multiple times early. For how the early game went Secret without a doubt played in the correct manner. The odds of you winning it on zero cores, which is what they were trying, are even lower. The game was 95+% over by 8 minutes. Letting it ride on EE was their best chance even if it was an insane long shot. Team has no hope anyway so doesn't much matter.
95% over by 8 minutes? Hahahahahhahahahha, what a thing to say. And they had 4 cores in the top 6, not too far behind Na'vis cores. Team has no hope? Hahahahha, let's stop it here, the two of us are not of the same mind  ))
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DC are pretty freaking legit.
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DAMN was that smoke reversal off the Roshan awesome.
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American Doto has a new hope
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Well wings are gonna demolish secret
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So far Qualifiers > Invites
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EPT
