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HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
February 25 2016 14:00 GMT
#1501
Hey guys, because our predictions are already ruined due to MVP's first place in this group, should we bet on Archon being first place in tomorrow's group? : D
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:00:25
February 25 2016 14:00 GMT
#1502
On February 25 2016 22:58 Latham wrote:
Is there a particular reason to not max storm hammer and get S&Y on Sven?


only the damage is scaled, so the points are better spent in aoe armor+ms buff/cleave for farming
ffxiv enjoyer
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22211 Posts
February 25 2016 14:00 GMT
#1503
On February 25 2016 22:58 Latham wrote:
Is there a particular reason to not max storm hammer and get S&Y on Sven?

if it's a free lane, just start levelling cleave to farm. warcry is just really really good. im not sure if it's worth levelling storm hammer in the lategame
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 25 2016 14:00 GMT
#1504
EE is responsible for 66% of pauses this tournament.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
February 25 2016 14:01 GMT
#1505
On February 25 2016 22:58 Latham wrote:
Is there a particular reason to not max storm hammer and get S&Y on Sven?


I max storm hammer as a support sven and because it's a hammer and my name is HammerKick.

But as a carry one point is more than enough, you need the stats for farm and stats efficiency.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
February 25 2016 14:01 GMT
#1506
On February 25 2016 23:00 Daralii wrote:
EE is responsible for 66% of pauses this tournament.

As per normal.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 25 2016 14:01 GMT
#1507
Its a farming Sven not a fighting/support Sven

Cleave flashfarms way quicker, you also don't need the damage if you can get that earlier SnY and Blink due to cleaving.
WriterXiao8~~
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
February 25 2016 14:02 GMT
#1508
wait where the hell is lanm's sweater

main event only?
ffxiv enjoyer
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
February 25 2016 14:02 GMT
#1509
On February 25 2016 23:00 HammerKick wrote:
Hey guys, because our predictions are already ruined due to MVP's first place in this group, should we bet on Archon being first place in tomorrow's group? : D

NA dota!!!! Be interesting how they play anyway tbh but if they could do it then wowowow!
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
February 25 2016 14:02 GMT
#1510
On February 25 2016 22:57 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 22:55 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, can EE Morph carry this?

well there is more than 1v1 lategame. Beastmaster lategame is really fucking good. So is chrono / lina etc

Pretty even lategame imo. Roar can shut down sven during bkb and if he can't reach anything after that he is kinda useless even with 30k networth because Secret is going to keep at range. But at the same time Lina / Void / Enchantress can do shit too. Morph will be able to 1 shot enchantress with shotgun.

TL;DR the game isn't 1v1 lategame

I mean, out of this whole line-up Secret has, the only heroes that can really carry (not just be strong lategame, quite honestly Secret's line-up is good at that) are morph and invoker and w33 does not look on point.

Also, as someone who did ridiculous amounts of math on shotgun back in the day, Morph does not 1 round enchantress with cloak+dragon lance+aghs no matter how much agility he amasses in 6 slots.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 25 2016 14:03 GMT
#1511
On February 25 2016 23:00 HammerKick wrote:
Hey guys, because our predictions are already ruined due to MVP's first place in this group, should we bet on Archon being first place in tomorrow's group? : D

No, bet on underdogs local teams imo it's better =)
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:04:19
February 25 2016 14:03 GMT
#1512
On February 25 2016 23:00 HammerKick wrote:
Hey guys, because our predictions are already ruined due to MVP's first place in this group, should we bet on Archon being first place in tomorrow's group? : D

Let's not go crazy, here. Keep in mind Archon is an NA team not named EG.
Long live the King of Wings
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
February 25 2016 14:05 GMT
#1513
On February 25 2016 23:02 Stancel wrote:
wait where the hell is lanm's sweater

main event only?

Its his final form.
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
February 25 2016 14:07 GMT
#1514
What is happening? If someone else needs teeth being pulled out, at least show it live ....
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
February 25 2016 14:07 GMT
#1515
Archon losing 1-2 in both games in Group C would be an accomplishment.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
February 25 2016 14:08 GMT
#1516
There is actually no such thing as a fighting Sven, unless by that you mean a useless hero. What can he offer? Just 1 average nuke/stun and Warcry. That's all. No right clicks.

EVERY Sven (support aside, though why would you pick Sven support?) should be maxing Cleave by 8-9. Farming Sven is best Sven.
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
February 25 2016 14:10 GMT
#1517
On February 25 2016 23:02 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 22:57 Rocket-Bear wrote:
On February 25 2016 22:55 lolfail9001 wrote:
So, can EE Morph carry this?

well there is more than 1v1 lategame. Beastmaster lategame is really fucking good. So is chrono / lina etc

Pretty even lategame imo. Roar can shut down sven during bkb and if he can't reach anything after that he is kinda useless even with 30k networth because Secret is going to keep at range. But at the same time Lina / Void / Enchantress can do shit too. Morph will be able to 1 shot enchantress with shotgun.

TL;DR the game isn't 1v1 lategame

I mean, out of this whole line-up Secret has, the only heroes that can really carry (not just be strong lategame, quite honestly Secret's line-up is good at that) are morph and invoker and w33 does not look on point.

Also, as someone who did ridiculous amounts of math on shotgun back in the day, Morph does not 1 round enchantress with cloak+dragon lance+aghs no matter how much agility he amasses in 6 slots.

There are still too many factors to say 1 person will be the lategame. The difference between a 1 man chrono and 3 man is huge.

I probably shouldnt be arguing but this shit bothers me so much.

So let's say Venge swaps sven he gets roar dies. Has to buyback, get smoke ganked and 100 sec no buybacks. Well that's just game. Positioning and initiation is huge factors lategame, not just who hits the hardest. Because Sven might not be hitting at all lategame.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:11:07
February 25 2016 14:10 GMT
#1518
On February 25 2016 23:08 DucK- wrote:
There is actually no such thing as a fighting Sven, unless by that you mean a useless hero. What can he offer? Just 1 average nuke/stun and Warcry. That's all. No right clicks.

EVERY Sven (support aside, though why would you pick Sven support?) should be maxing Cleave by 8-9. Farming Sven is best Sven.

in pubs evertyhing goes.

anyway EE has Eblade soon so that will destroy this Lina if she doesn't get hp or something soon.
WriterXiao8~~
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
February 25 2016 14:11 GMT
#1519
These chronos are awful
Nyan
Profile Joined April 2015
Germany1931 Posts
February 25 2016 14:11 GMT
#1520
so many void picks combined with a melee carry.
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