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Please stop the caster bashing. You can disagree with them and post about it but posts that only serve to bash casters senselessly will be actioned. | ||
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HighTimeDotA
Canada1412 Posts
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Rococo
United States331 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:16 HighTimeDotA wrote: for those who are whining about 2 chinese team in the finals: have you watched this game called starcraft? who cares where the team/players are from, quality games is all that matters. Well, I watched tons of Korean SC2 and BW but part of the suspense was always due to storylines or caring about the players as people, not just the game in a vacuum. I think I'd generally rather be playing games than watching them if that's all there was to it. The nationalism aspect of e-sports has always been tiresome but the reactions that go way in the opposite direction, saying that nothing else matters but the game, are a little odd. | ||
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iNteLStyLe
United States346 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:31 HighTimeDotA wrote: have you seen korean dota as of late. think the real talents will stick with lol and sc2. maybe TI6 we'll see a top tier korean team. if you were talented at LoL why wouldnt you at least try Dota? Games are similar and a lot more room for growth in Dota scene (void in Korean scene that is potential growth, larger prize pools) where as the korean lol scene is congested as all hell | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:35 Kipsate wrote: Judging players are always hard but you have to look at map movement, decision making, the balance of aggressiveness vs passiveness, item decisions etc. Hao has done some pretty bad shit this TI. Sylar has had some pretty questionable plays as well. Game 2 of the EG series where he is at 11k networth banking 5k while his team is fighting stands out the most to me. On July 21 2014 11:10 FiWiFaKi wrote: You're missing the point. It's not about whether the team has fans or haters, it's about whether people care. People either liked Alliance, or wanted to see them burn... Navi have a huge fanbase, and also a huge base who hate Navi fans, so people care. It appears like relative to these teams, Newbee and Vici aren't really cared about. Apparently you missed all the Newbee racist posts. If Newbee doesn't have haters I don't know what team does. Maybe relative to Alliance because of all of the rat dota complaints, but more hated than Navi for sure. | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
gg VG with the epic payouts | ||
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goody153
44057 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Apparently you missed all the Newbee racist posts. If Newbee doesn't have haters I don't know what team does. C9 ? i know there are people who hate EE but i have never heard of a C9 hater. Although i definitely heard people claim they suck but does not really hate them. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11040 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:16 HighTimeDotA wrote: for those who are whining about 2 chinese team in the finals: have you watched this game called starcraft? who cares where the team/players are from, quality games is all that matters. Don't think the analogy quite fits. First of all, you could love a BW player on the basis of pretty distinct styles and a lot of awesome moments.Just watch a shuttle and reaver eat up a terran and revel in it. Secondly, that was what was on offer and kept in front of the consumer every day. Casters did a great job creating and maintaining on going storylines for players. Watching Reach would have been meh without Cholera's manlot commentaries. Lastly, the gap in quality between west and korea was immense. With these chinese teams the gap doesn't feel that immense. It's about the patience and mechanical discipline to not whiff games like Western teams do (badish example but look at c9's group stage losses). There's no particular part of their play that's especially charismatic. Though that could also be down to exposure and simply not noticing what makes them so great and why you should care. Lastly, people always care about who is in the finals. I get up at 4:30 to watch Man Utd games, and yet I can think of champions leagues I just didn't turn on. No one's made the sale for these chinese teams. Plus the occasional story of eastern teams grouping up to beat Western teams among other things doesn't exactly imbue me with an incentive to lean towards these teams I don't know. Anyway, whatever happens I am not going to watch this final. Because it has the worst possible timing. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:40 Rococo wrote: Well, I watched tons of Korean SC2 and BW but part of the suspense was always due to storylines or caring about the players as people, not just the game in a vacuum. I think I'd generally rather be playing games than watching them if that's all there was to it. The nationalism aspect of e-sports has always been tiresome but the reactions that go way in the opposite direction, saying that nothing else matters but the game, are a little odd. well your foreigners need to start playing good cuz koreans / china wont care about your story they care about your tournament, your money talk about how come china become rich country | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:55 Vertical wrote: well your foreigners need to start playing good cuz koreans / china wont care about your story they care about your tournament, your money talk about how come china become rich country displaying literally 0 reading comprehension; you're clearly way more nationalistic than the person you're responding to (who is hinting at having a distaste for nationalism), and you're trying to provoke him with shit that doesnt even apply to him. try harder, troll | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
Can you explain this dota betting? I assume this isn't real money betting right? What do you win on your bets? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:05 Canucklehead wrote: Can you explain this dota betting? I assume this isn't real money betting right? What do you win on your bets? people bet dota cosmetic items, some of the older ones are actually worth quite a bit of money on the marketplace | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:05 Canucklehead wrote: Can you explain this dota betting? I assume this isn't real money betting right? What do you win on your bets? just items haha (although it could be equivalent real money if you buy/sell items as such) | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Azarkon's tears. Mmmmmm. (I admit: occasionally when I am in need of a laugh, I go find him on GG.) | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:08 babylon wrote: I myself am ecstatic about two Chinese teams in the finals. Azarkon's tears. Mmmmmm. I almost want to go to GG.net and JD and gloat. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On July 21 2014 11:06 goody153 wrote: Although it was west vs west. It wasn't really anticlimactic. And even if it was west vs west. It was Ukraine + Estonia + Germany vs Sweden. So it had the international feeling that it gave. unlike this TI4 which is chinese vs chinese . I don' really mind if chinese win or makes it to grand finals every year. As long as it's chinese vs something else so that it feels like a global competition. Not another chinese tournament. That's really my only complain. Not to mention it was the match most hated team in the world vs the most like team in the world. And the most hated team in the world was a unstoppable juggernaut while na'vi was the only only that looked to beat alliance that time. So it was hyped as fuck. Seriously that was a really sick story line to follow. Maybe you should go read a book if you want a sick storyline to follow? People like you in this thread are the most impossible to understand. This is a tournament. The purpose is to determine who is the best team in the world. Every team enters with the purpose of placing as high as possible. They don't care a fig about entertaining you or producing "good storylines". All these teams whose playstyles people arbitrarily like, they don't play that way because they care about you. They play that way because it wins them the most games and they'd change their playstyle in an instant if they found a superior one. That's why I find all these people bitching about boring games to be a little ridiculous too. To me the most beautiful playstyle is the one that wins you the most games, whether it's 4 protect 1, 5 man, early push, split push, facerush, whatever. Wouldn't you rather support a team that always asks itself "how can I win?", rather than a team that insults your intelligence by asking "how can I entertain the crowd?" | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:07 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: people bet dota cosmetic items, some of the older ones are actually worth quite a bit of money on the marketplace I don't play dota so if someone bets one of the items they own and win a bet, they win an item of bet winning value but where does this item come from and how would you get exact value? Like say you bet a $1 item for vg to win at 24x and they end up winning. You now won an item equal to $24, but where does this item come from? Does valve give you credit so you can buy $24 worth of items on the market place? | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:12 writer22816 wrote: That's why I find all these people bitching about boring games to be a little ridiculous too. To me the most beautiful playstyle is the one that wins you the most games, whether it's 4 protect 1, 5 man, early push, split push, facerush, whatever. Wouldn't you rather support a team that always asks itself "how can I win?", rather than a team that insults your intelligence by asking "how can I entertain the crowd?" when two teams face off, i want the one with the more interesting to draft to win. in the case of vg vs eg, i find lategame greed more interesting than midgame push, and i was really hoping to see eg pull it off. i'm not going to start supporting the more dominant playstyle just because it's dominant, especially when i feel eg lost not on playstyle but execution. i want every team to play to win, but i'll still favor the team that figures out the most interesting/unexpected way to win logically, this means when i see two teams playing each other with playstyles i don't find as interesting (push vs push), i find it harder to get interested in the game, and i kinda get an unfavorable impression of those teams | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:12 Canucklehead wrote: I don't play dota so if someone bets one of the items they own and win a bet, they win an item of bet winning value but where does this item come from and how would you get exact value? Like say you bet a $1 item for vg to win at 24x to win and they end up winning. You now won an item equal to $24, but where does this item come from? Does valve give you credit so you can buy $24 worth of items on the market place? No you win the items of the people who lost. You win 24x by betting on vg because most people didn't bet on them so there are a lot of items to distribute. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On July 21 2014 12:12 Canucklehead wrote: I don't play dota so if someone bets one of the items they own and win a bet, they win an item of bet winning value but where does this item come from and how would you get exact value? Like say you bet a $1 item for vg to win at 24x to win and they end up winning. You now won an item equal to $24, but where does this item come from? Does valve give you credit so you can buy $24 worth of items on the market place? depends on the betting sites, i think most of them just give you multiples of items at a certain value (e.g. 24 $1 items). the items come from the inventories of the losers | ||
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