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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:45 zev318 wrote: did they say what time the grand finals start? the upcoming events on the right just says 2 days http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/ti4/460935-ti4-starting-ending-times | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:46 opterown wrote: not yet but there's a pre-match conference so i'm guessing bout midday really? like 12pm pst? who's gonna watch it live lol  | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I think the first thing you should do against Newbee is NOT BAN Lycan even when they have fp. Doom, Ench, Shadow Shaman, Death Prophet, Brewmaster are way more scarier. Then you need to secure Morph/Tide/Void/DP in a FIRST PICK and as much Newbee's signature heroes you can steal as possible in a second with the preference of targeting xiao8's ones first. Hao's Lycan is almost on par with Luo's who pretty much has the best Lycan there is. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I think the first thing you should do against Newbee is NOT BAN Lycan even when they have fp. Doom, Ench, Shadow Shaman, Death Prophet, Brewmaster are way more scarier. Then you need to secure Morph/Tide/Void/DP in a FIRST PICK and as much Newbee's signature heroes you can steal as possible in a second with the preference of targeting xiao8's ones first. The reason every team bans Lycan is because they have traumatic memories of when they let Lycan through for Hao/any of the other top carries... | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
you can also expect Mu to be playing Invoker/Viper/Ember/Puck (if you don't give them DP on top of Lycan, that's fail). The other thing to note - go for BAT if you can. Hao's positioning varies from hero to hero, it can be really crucial. Avoid picking Naga, Wisp, Tinker, Radiant Enigma, Dire Tide. don't show your lanes even slightly pick heroes that can be played on every position. Yeah maybe I am being captain obvious right atm, but ppd did almost everything wrong in the last draft, pressure gets even the best of us. | ||
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Zvenn3n
Sweden1196 Posts
He was already taken  I tryharded big time in fantasy league. Our first week was EU quals, so I took tons of players there. Then I traded people in and ended up with my current roster. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
RIP loda | ||
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CherryNubCakes
United States972 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:46 ForTehDarkseid wrote: I think the first thing you should do against Newbee is NOT BAN Lycan even when they have fp. Doom, Ench, Shadow Shaman, Death Prophet, Brewmaster are way more scarier. Then you need to secure Morph/Tide/Void/DP in a FIRST PICK and as much Newbee's signature heroes you can steal as possible in a second with the preference of targeting xiao8's ones first. The best deal is to get dual roam supports which can even go agressive trilane and some TANKIEST SHIT POSSIBLE stable annoying laner in Mid/Safe (unfortunately xiao8 is too smart and bans Viper/Veno whenever he can) You make it sound impossible | ||
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Rococo
United States331 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:18 ref4 wrote: well EG didnt take a single game from Newbee DOTA2 is won or lost at the draft, since all the teams at this level are very even in terms of execution, mechanics, communication etc. For fitness, abs are made in the kitchen, For DOTA2, wins are made in the draft. This thinking is so reductive it depresses me. You can't just quantify execution like that, since Dota is a game of strategy. Good execution is anticipating your opponent's play and countering it and with any particular draft setup there are so many possibilities and variables that games could take many different forms by just changing small decisions at the outset, leading to different plays and counterplays and on and on. One draft might have more ways to win, but there are always ways to win for each side. What an "out-draft" usually is is one team having a better understanding of the draft dynamics than the other. There's a reason that draft determinism is something that usually only comes up in hindsight. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
rOtk did it for game 2. Doom+Ember+Prophet (all Newbee heroes, 2 of them are xiao8 signatures) tricore, no radiant greed supports. Titan as well: Bat+Morph+SS+Shaker+Viper (all 4 heroes are Newbee preferred ones and BAT to make Hao pay for every mistake) Empire made it work in group stages. Doom+Puck+Bat, dual roamers SD+Lesh. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
Wasn't last year's Finals on Sunday? | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2014 11:00 ForTehDarkseid wrote: rOtk did it for game 2. Doom+Ember+Prophet (all Newbee heroes, 2 of them are xiao8 signatures) tricore, no radiant greed supports. Empire make it work in group stages. Doom+Puck+Bat, dual roamers SD+Lesh. well newbee did do a few big throws that game. the mid lane one where they lost 3 comes to mind. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:57 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't think Newbee is as far ahead of the other teams in terms of relative strength as people think they are. i don't think people are rating newbee that highly. any other team can still win the finals off them (well, maybe less likely C9, Na`Vi or LGD, but iG/VG/DK/EG are definitely able to beat them). newbee did make a lot of crummy mistakes today. | ||
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gLhF.Revere
978 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:57 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't think Newbee is as far ahead of the other teams in terms of relative strength as people think they are. They aren't. iG is definitely same tier and I would wager DK still is, despite their mental block against EG. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 19 2014 10:57 Kuroeeah wrote: I don't think Newbee is as far ahead of the other teams in terms of relative strength as people think they are. they just counter Naga, Wisp, Tinker, Enigma and Tide constantly. it's not like Newbee are unbeatable, it just gets significantly harder when they are getting heroes they are comfortable with. I thought DP and iceiceiceVoker/Timber were a insta-win picks for DK too, but BurNing proved me wrong. Why you would ever want xiao8 to get NP/Doom when it can be Tide/Bat/ instead, is really beyond me. Why DK decided it's cool to see EG run Razor two times in a row is a same story. Last pick ember ruined iG's series. Last pick Doom ruined EG's series. Last pick Weaver ruined NaVi's series. I couldn't even remember how much DK got countered by Newbee's last picks in China prior to TI4. you better pick their lineups and make those last pick countering as hard as possible imo, or just get Morph and fucking roll from minute one. I think this is one of the reasons why iG is on par with Newbee - they have no problems playing their heroes and even more on top of that. 430 on a team - oh shit Newbee suddenly have to care about Invoker, Panda, Void, Ember which they won't ban against almost every other team. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
VG didn't lose to NB without a fight and although game 1 vs EG was close, I believe that was more at the fault of Newbee themselves for being unable to properly close out a game that should have ended sooner. There was a small moment of doubt where I thought to myself "wow newbee you actually threw this game" which goes to show that they're still very prone to making crucial errors. At least Xiao8 improved, he reduced amount of questionable wtf director8 plays by about half when you compared it to his performance in the group stages. | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
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