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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
check out chaq's mid puck guide offlane phase or treads will sometimes win u the lane. sometimes u need stats items to live. other times u just go blink after boots bottle. warding is the same as for other offlaners, u can always just jaunt into the trees if its an impossible lane and u have no ward tho start boots or a lot of stats depending on lane mu. or just pretend ur mid puck if its 1v1 | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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Sceptre
Canada130 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On September 02 2015 06:54 babysimba wrote: Consider veil on puck. Allows you to clear creepwave without having the need of right clicking once. Veil just for this purpose? I'm not sold :\ | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
lina/puck have them at 2% hp or something after a combo. not like that would validate veil  | ||
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wxyLkz
210 Posts
On September 02 2015 21:57 sCuMBaG wrote: well, sf gets the wave with two razes. lina/puck have them at 2% hp or something after a combo. not like that would validate veil how bout with storm spirit and leshrac? | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
I feel like Icefrog is trying to push him towards the offlane (buffing mobility/reducing mana costs) rather than trying to make him viable mid again (by buffing his damage). Anyone tried it yet in pubs? | ||
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Archeon
3260 Posts
On September 28 2015 17:16 BobMcJohnson wrote: So whats up with the Puck buffs in 6.85? I feel like Icefrog is trying to push him towards the offlane (buffing mobility/reducing mana costs) rather than trying to make him viable mid again (by buffing his damage). Anyone tried it yet in pubs? Didnt try Puck yet in pubs since 6.85. So everything below is theorycrafting. Tbh I have no idea what IF is trying to do with this patch. If he wanted offlane-Puck he would have buffed his base armor or hp regen, right? Puck's problem is not that he's a low impact offlaner, the problem is that he has a terrible laning phase against 2 or more until he hits at least lvl 2 and doesnt farm the blink he depends so much on well outside of a lane. For the typical roam/space creating aoe-control-offlaner like centaur, clockwerk, tusk, tide,... his laning phase is just absymal. Tbh I think that Puck's better this patch in mid compared to last one, higher orb speed means easier orb-harass and lots of common mids got nerfed. Also since dual lanes are coming back, having a semi-farming offlaner like bb is easier to pull off. That being said the hero's still shit imo. The scenarios in which I would pick him over something like clockwerk or es for offl or qop for mid are pretty much non-existent. For a mid he just scales way to badly and the high manacosts mean that you cant even build a semi-early refresher. I'd only pick Puck atm when I know he/she/it's gonna get a 1v1 in his offlane. Wished he became a more viable offlaner, because I really like to play Puck and Puck fits offlane nowadays a lot more than mid. The hero needs some more substantial changes like one out of mana cost, orb damage, health regen or a major buff to cds. @wr: dotabuff tells me Puck places at the tenth lowest spot atm, 43.7% | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7050 Posts
My gut tells me that Puck is probably not viable in either mid or in the offlane, but I haven't played Puck in a long time so I can't say for sure. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On November 17 2015 16:26 tehh4ck3r wrote: Has anyone tested out Puck in the offlane this patch? A lot of the more tempo-controlling heroes that used to go mid (Magnus comes to mind) seem to have been forced into the offlane and the 6.85 changes certainly seem geared towards making Puck more viable in the offlane. My gut tells me that Puck is probably not viable in either mid or in the offlane, but I haven't played Puck in a long time so I can't say for sure. I've seen it played a few times. Still not particularly effective although the few times I saw it it was picked early and we had a strong support who totally zoned puck. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6232 Posts
Icefrog needs to decide whether he wants the hero to be an offlane or a mid. If he wants a mid, the hero needs to scale hard enough to justify it. If he wants an offlaner, which I think makes more sense, it needs to not be zoned by basically everything. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On the other hand we can imagine an ice frog style buff in the form of giving waning rift knock back like Kotl blind does for both versatility and dream cool breakage on demand | ||
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Archeon
3260 Posts
On November 18 2015 05:31 hariooo wrote: On the one hand like duck said, a simple dream coil cd reduction would do a lot for this hero since its entire concept is around tempo. On the other hand we can imagine an ice frog style buff in the form of giving waning rift knock back like Kotl blind does for both versatility and dream cool breakage on demand While I agree that dream coil's cd is way to high for what it does, I dont think the high cd is the problem. Tbh when Puck is successful it's mostly on the back of a good draft that makes good use of Puck's initiation in skirmishes and you dont skirmish a lot more often than once every 75 secs. I think the problem is more that his stats don't allow a fighting build and his skills don't deal enough damage to have a big impact after 30-35 minutes, especially since not a single one pierces bkb. That makes him really undesirable as a mid hero. Combine that with low basestats (435 hp and 2 armor) and terrible stat-growth and the hero can't trade against most supports at lvl 1. Knockback on waning rift is a nice suggestion. Forcing aghs dreamcoil would be pretty potent even in the mid- lategame. If I was IF I would either buff base armor/hp or heavily rescale dreamcoil damage. And make aghs dreamcoil go through bkb. | ||
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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
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Yurie
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