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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
October 21 2014 22:42 GMT
#81
? no lol basi's good for sidelane pushes to punish non-present offlaners and as a mana source when u can't run bottle
so not mid
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
October 21 2014 22:46 GMT
#82
then i never gonna build basi again on troll Just shows how bad i am at this hero.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 23:42:54
October 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#83
Well, no, it's still useful if you're on a sidelane for the reason Sn0_Man said (and Troll breaks towers very fast if you have level 6), so "never build basi" is wrong too, you just wouldn't build it mid necessarily.
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
October 21 2014 23:24 GMT
#84
basi is such a cheap item that it is nvr bad on any hero, and aquila is rly good on him
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deadmau
Profile Joined September 2010
960 Posts
October 21 2014 23:48 GMT
#85
I find grabbing the RoQ/Basi mid to be a bit redundant since i'm getting the mana from bottle anyway, and the bonus armor is great too but you have melee form and again bottle to offset the effective health.

In the sidelanes you'll find you need so much mana to keep up with the Whirlwind Axe'ing, and where bottle usually helps, you need to fill in the mana regen with Basi/RoQ, which already gives you extra dmg, minor stats, and lane/push control.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-21 23:50:15
October 21 2014 23:49 GMT
#86
Ring of aquila is just absurd on agi heroes
18 damage, ridiculous build up, good armor, mana regen stats only 1k gold jfkldsa;jlfkjkadsl;

its so good.
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 19:02:05
October 22 2014 00:29 GMT
#87
My opinion is that aquila is obviously good, but you run out of inventory space so fast that you're going to sell it soon after you get it. And some other teammate is bound to get a basi anyway which doesn't stack.

Where do you fit aquila (unless you're crushing early game non-stop till the game ends)?

Boots - Bottle - TP - Drums - SNY - HotD - [Big Item] / [Aegis] / [Dust/Wards/Smoke]
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Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
October 22 2014 00:58 GMT
#88
On October 21 2014 12:23 TheYango wrote:
4-4-0-1 until Valve fixes the bug where you don't benefit from Fervor until your 3rd attack.

Basically, you gain a Fervor stack at the end of your attack point, so you don't actually benefit from Fervor on the attack that gives you the stack. This is correctly implemented, but whoever coded the skill thought that meant that you shouldn't gain your first Fervor stack until your 2nd attack, which is wrong. Since you gain your first Fervor stack at the end of your 2nd attack, you don't get any extra attack speed until you're making a 3rd attack.


Wow.. I just didn't know that bug. I was always giving 1 value point on fervor.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 11:57:20
October 23 2014 11:45 GMT
#89
I don't understand this hero at all. Doesn't feel that good at chasing down heroes at 6/Max Q and doesn't feel any good getting Aquila and using 6 to push towers.

Feels like he can't do anything alone or better than another more dedicated role hero.

Melts against any magic or nuke and then just falls apart since he doesn't get lifesteal until after BKB/S&Y

Any slow completely removes his ability to chase down any hero since your BKB doesn't come until much later.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 23 2014 13:37 GMT
#90
On October 23 2014 20:45 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand this hero at all. Doesn't feel that good at chasing down heroes at 6/Max Q and doesn't feel any good getting Aquila and using 6 to push towers.

Feels like he can't do anything alone or better than another more dedicated role hero.

Melts against any magic or nuke and then just falls apart since he doesn't get lifesteal until after BKB/S&Y

Any slow completely removes his ability to chase down any hero since your BKB doesn't come until much later.


You don't always need to be in melee. A lot of people waste so much time trying to hit when they could have killed in ranged form. Also, get phase.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 23 2014 13:49 GMT
#91
I got Phase.

Melee for the extra damage and movement speed no?

If I go range, they just run away anyways
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
October 23 2014 13:50 GMT
#92
On October 23 2014 20:45 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand this hero at all. Doesn't feel that good at chasing down heroes at 6/Max Q and doesn't feel any good getting Aquila and using 6 to push towers.

Feels like he can't do anything alone or better than another more dedicated role hero.

Melts against any magic or nuke and then just falls apart since he doesn't get lifesteal until after BKB/S&Y

Any slow completely removes his ability to chase down any hero since your BKB doesn't come until much later.


My troll is really bad, but i tried that itembuild above and its descent. The phase/drums grants damage, movementspeed, some manapool and hp early. The hotd for sustain and more damage also felt fine. I do think a bkb is more important then a S&Y because i suck and a bkb can compensate my noobness better then a S&Y can.
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
October 23 2014 14:10 GMT
#93
On October 23 2014 22:49 Torte de Lini wrote:
I got Phase.

Melee for the extra damage and movement speed no?

If I go range, they just run away anyways


Get into melee, axes ult and whack/pray for bash. If they start to run, switch to range, axes to slow, switch to melee and go back in for more whacks. Switch to range if they get out of range again and you can't catch, and whack more. You can stick fairly well that way.
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
October 23 2014 15:08 GMT
#94
wierd thought here. The new diffusal has more agi less manaburn and the active grants more melee bashes? must be really bad idea right?
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
October 23 2014 15:13 GMT
#95
That sounds like a shi...

Actually that sounds like it could be somewhat legit =\ Worth a shot...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 15:17:34
October 23 2014 15:16 GMT
#96
Just tried mid and it was marginally more successful, but still lost. Against any dedicated carry, he just falls and what happened again was magic nuked me down low enough to not make my insane attack speed kill him in time before he kills me.

I can usually get up to S&Y and then BKB either comes too late nad I never reach HOTD before hte game is over entirely.
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
October 23 2014 16:09 GMT
#97
In side lane I grab orb of venom as soon as I can. You can harass easily by swapping to ranged mode, and once you have boots you can hit them with impunity if they let you-- but since you're fast as fuck that shouldn't be hard. Between the orb's slow, your active slow, and any bashes you get, you can easily zone or kill the enemy. I buy stout shield, so you take very little damage from creep aggro while you do this.

I usually buy vlads so I can use other orbs, but if your team is lacking in scaling damage and you don't think you can win by going all-in early you can get a dominator instead for farm acceleration.

If I don't need a bkb out of the vlads opening I like going diffusal manta. If you ever catch someone out they're just dead between the purge, slows, 3man manaburn, your bashes, and your stupidly good attack speed.

If you open with the dominator and don't have a dire need for a specific item after I'd recommend maelstrom to clear jungle stacks more easily. It gives you more aoe damage in fights as well, and is pretty strong since they fixed maelstrom procs not stacking.
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-23 16:52:52
October 23 2014 16:28 GMT
#98
does the illusions attackspeed also vary?

E : gamepedia doesnt mention it does.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 23 2014 16:35 GMT
#99
So lifesteal before BKB?
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
October 23 2014 17:03 GMT
#100
i rarely get lifesteal on this hero
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