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Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On June 13 2014 02:37 Vikeif wrote:
I remember playing a game where troll went MoM (first after boots!), team laughed and we trashed him pretty thoroughly. Then somehow their team managed to make enough space for him/managed to farm enough to get bkb/mkb and we promptly got rekt by the raw dps/bashing.
MoM seems very overkill/snowbally, but if your team can set you up it outputs a LOT of dps.
I mean I'm pretty sure it had little to do with MoM, and more to do with the space he got to farm bkb and mkb. He has a free mom with his ult, with none of the downsides (I guess you don't get the +ms)
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Go to the lane that will allow you to be the most aggressive. (Offlane with support)
Don't farm.
Jungling and farming safelane is useless.
Why are you so fixated on Treads vs Phase.
Treads for extra tank
Phase for extra movespeed
That's all there is to it.
About BKB:
If you are losing really hard and you buy BKB, you've probably lost anyway.
BKB on Troll is better in games you are winning, that you can finally end them with BKB usage,
or games that are even, were you have another carry to do the damage and you provide a strong frontline for him in fights with BKB.
This hero is so easy to win with its ridiculous.
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On July 15 2014 21:34 ChunderBoy wrote:
Go to the lane that will allow you to be the most aggressive. (Offlane with support)
Don't farm.
Jungling and farming safelane is useless.
Why are you so fixated on Treads vs Phase.
Treads for extra tank
Phase for extra movespeed
That's all there is to it.
About BKB:
If you are losing really hard and you buy BKB, you've probably lost anyway.
BKB on Troll is better in games you are winning, that you can finally end them with BKB usage,
or games that are even, were you have another carry to do the damage and you provide a strong frontline for him in fights with BKB.
This hero is so easy to win with its ridiculous.
This hero is completely legit.
I'm not sure how good it is, but I really like S&Y on this hero (the build-up is a bit awkward), if only so I can run around with 512 MS in teamfights. Permahaste is hilarious.
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So I'd like to learn Troll. What is the best way/style to play him? Any tips/tricks/advice?
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Get a support on your lane, win your lane, take objectives with battle trance. I feel as soon as your team does not take objectives you're falling back. I prefer vlad over HotD as the 5 armor aoe really helps with pushing. Mek is surely great too. Then just focusing on tanky items to be a frontliner is ok if your support does good damage or you have other carries. Also the main goal in fight is to apply the blind on key ennemies and then sticking on one.
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Don't forget to press Q a lot for movement speed, armour and damage. It's much easier to last hit under melee form and you should be melee if you're taking harass.
Try to get a mana item early on to sustain his W for combat, I'm a big fan of aquila on him but basi is sufficient.
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On July 17 2014 00:34 BoZiffer wrote:
So I'd like to learn Troll. What is the best way/style to play him? Any tips/tricks/advice?
2 ways to play him. One is to treat him as a utility solo whereby your contribution is basic nukes, utility/semi carry items and battle trance. You are a competent solo, and you should be able to get a timely Mek. After which you should get stuff like DPS items, or auras. I'm not a fan of going blink + bkb + tank etc, because you are a low priority target or not a threat if you don't have damage later on. If you're steering away from damage, at least get useful items with actives like halberd diffusal eblade hex Shiva's etc.
The second way is just as a DPS hero from the get go. Standard DPS carry items like crit bkb lifesteal butterfly mkb etc. Participate early because troll can do so. The hero is good for pushing towers early on too.
One thing is don't be too stubborn in melee form. Sometimes all you need is to right click with ranged form. For pubs, shadowblade is a good choice.
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Solid stuff. Who are better laning partners with Troll?
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Best I've had so far was Shadow Demon.
Disruption is enough in terms of lockdown because as a Troll you only need to catch up to the enemy, then whirling axes will do their job. Disruption + lvl2/3 soul catcher + whirling axes = instagib on heroes without escapes. Oh, and it also can save your squishy ass from death.
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I've been spamming games with Troll ever since I randomly queued with KvH (#7) who went Troll mid. It looked fun so I decided to try it out after watching a few replays of high level Troll games.
You can see my general build here:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9yevoLH.png)
BO : Phase/Bottle - Drums - SNY/HotD - BKB/Daed/Satanic/Blink/Bfly
phase > treads (MS & +24 dmg)
hotd > vlads (+20 dmg)
bottle > aquila (runes, early hp regen, easier to sell)
I think treads is a waste since you hit 0.3~0.4s/attack so quickly anyway, and the move speed secures potential kills or your safety. I haven't really experimented with vlads but hotd damage is really nice and you'll life leech in ranged form as well. It's probably better for an ally to pick up the vlads.
People really underestimate his slow (30%!) and miss chance (60%!) so you can get some easy first bloods by man-fighting people early on. Melee form armor and bonus HP lets you dive pretty easily.
good : very fast, huge dps w/ insane attack speed, great pusher, can solo rosh, lanes anywhere, good FB potential, easy itemization, fairly durable, low mana cost & low CD skills, flying vision on axes, and can still hard carry
bad : not many, but item-slot constrained, wave-clear is average (225 nuke, 300 w/ ranged), engagements are largely affected by ranged axes & trance CDs or mana pool
The thing I'm unsure about is his build order. Fervor or melee form after maxing axes? I'm leaning toward melee because move speed and higher bash duration is great, and more attack speed is not really necessary with trance. Any thoughts?
edit: Offlane Troll build here.
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Beesa nr 1=92% winrate, what a baller
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Your intuition is correct here, you don't need to pump more into Fervor, what's gonna get you online and in the enemy's face faster is Berserker's Rage. The longer bash, bash dmg, and the movespeed should be optimal in most situations, unless you are changing yourstyle to work around an early maxed fervor, which I'll admit I haven't found a way to run yet. I'm sure there is, but generally speaking Max W, then Q.
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max melee after axes, it gives u more movespeed...
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I think a better question is... do I skip fervor entirely or get a value point in it?
4-4-0-1 vs 3-4-1-1 by level 9
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United States47024 Posts
4-4-0-1 until Valve fixes the bug where you don't benefit from Fervor until your 3rd attack.
Basically, you gain a Fervor stack at the end of your attack point, so you don't actually benefit from Fervor on the attack that gives you the stack. This is correctly implemented, but whoever coded the skill thought that meant that you shouldn't gain your first Fervor stack until your 2nd attack, which is wrong. Since you gain your first Fervor stack at the end of your 2nd attack, you don't get any extra attack speed until you're making a 3rd attack.
This actually makes switching targets in general kind of awkward because the first attack on a new target is supposed to give you a fresh stack at the same time it removes your old stacks for the previous target, so you always attack with at least 1 stack worth of AS. With the bug, you get reset to 0 stacks every time you switch targets.
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No one goes 1-4-4 now? I thought you maxed E for Roshan at 11 (+ HOTD)
I just played a Troll game and I think I underestimated the core need for S&Y but what is Drums for? Is it situational or core?
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That was only ever done as proof of concept, and of course your random occasional pub that wanted to do it just because he wanted to jungle. Outside of that, it was always Beserker's rage for the movespeed, even when it scaled differently it was the one to max after W.
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Wow, my concept and understanding of Troll is severely misunderstood.
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I tried papers build, itemsequence felt pretty good and doable for anyone.
Just wondering if it would be viable to rush a butterfly on troll instead of the S&Y if you allready went for the drums.
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