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spacer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2786 Posts
March 28 2015 15:15 GMT
#341
On March 28 2015 23:29 See.Blue wrote:
Just had a 36 kill game on troll. Single digit games played on him. What is this hero.

balanced
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
March 28 2015 16:08 GMT
#342
On March 28 2015 23:20 TheWestWind wrote:
How about OD against troll? Force staff, atos, good against troll, astral to save allies, ulti blows him up.
. ive played that matchup, if you ever get behind as OD, you are just food to troll, and there is nothing you can do about it.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
March 28 2015 23:09 GMT
#343
On March 29 2015 01:08 r_con wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2015 23:20 TheWestWind wrote:
How about OD against troll? Force staff, atos, good against troll, astral to save allies, ulti blows him up.
. ive played that matchup, if you ever get behind as OD, you are just food to troll, and there is nothing you can do about it.

Well, you can: astral and blink out.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 29 2015 20:35 GMT
#344
Been playing more Troll.
Why don't more people get Quelling Blade? Seems worthwhile or because it causes us to 6-slot too early.

I like to go:
Starting: Stout, 2x Iron Branch, Salve, Tangoes
Early: RoA, Boots of Speed
Core: Phase, HotD, S&Y, BKB
Late-Game: Skadi, Satanic - but maybe MKB is more "core" so to speak
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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-29 20:43:53
March 29 2015 20:43 GMT
#345
QB is great for speeding up your farm (especially in the jungle). The downside is that if you go some combination of bottle/drums/RoA/HotD/stout/stick/phase with TPs/aegis early on, you won't have enough slots to hold onto it.

I would also add blink dag as core.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 29 2015 21:44 GMT
#346
It depends on how your game develops, if you get a long jungle farming phase with QB+HoD+Aquila it rapidly makes itself worth it (even before you'd necessarily cap out on item slots).
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
March 30 2015 09:51 GMT
#347
So far, I've been able to squeeze a Quelling Blade right after getting Helm of the Dominator.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-30 12:07:14
March 30 2015 12:06 GMT
#348
i would get a qb right after phase or at the very least after morbid mask
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 30 2015 19:57 GMT
#349
if ur safelane im pretty sure you get qb asap every game
probably after phase, maybe before if ur lane is ez
if u go hotd before sny u definitely get qb
qb hotd phase solos rosh pretty ez
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 30 2015 20:07 GMT
#350
the reason you wanna ideally wait until after your morbid mask (at the earliest) is bc you don't really need it until you hit the jungle. you get it to cut through the trees and make your farming route shorter and your farming speed quicker when you're hitting the creeps.

push the wave out, hit the jungle, come back for the next wave, rinse and repeat.

you could get it before then to last hit the wave, but there really isn't a necessity for that.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 31 2015 01:41 GMT
#351
u can easily farm the jungle before morbid mask
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
March 31 2015 05:57 GMT
#352
Is diffusal against medusa a thing as troll?
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6228 Posts
March 31 2015 07:08 GMT
#353
Everything is a thing as troll.

Troll is a fine diffusal carrier. Although tbh at the moment he's probably a fine dagon carrier.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 31 2015 10:27 GMT
#354
On March 31 2015 16:08 Belisarius wrote:
Everything is a thing as troll.

Troll is a fine diffusal carrier. Although tbh at the moment he's probably a fine dagon carrier.


He is stupid though. Manaaaaa
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
March 31 2015 11:06 GMT
#355
On March 31 2015 10:41 Dead9 wrote:
u can easily farm the jungle before morbid mask


you sure can, but why would you want to if you have a lane to farm?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 11:21:37
March 31 2015 11:21 GMT
#356
because u can farm both
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 11:50:13
March 31 2015 11:48 GMT
#357
On dire safelane in particular you want to start clearing the closest hardcamp asap between taking out lane creeps. If you feel you're strong enough to do it, stop waiting for creeps to hit 10% before you last hit. Instead shove the lane into enemy tower as fast as you can to give you maximum time to clear the camp. Clear it, get back to lane. Still a net win even if you miss 1-2 lane creeps, but done correctly you might miss zero. Repeat every minute. Efficiency.

A bit different on radiant, you'll likely miss more lane creeps. But top level players still judge whether leaving the lane to clear 1-3 camps and losing X amount of lane creeps is a win or loss compared to staying in lane .
BigO
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden956 Posts
March 31 2015 12:02 GMT
#358
And it's always nice to leave the lane to give the supports some much needed xp/gold.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 12:24:17
March 31 2015 12:22 GMT
#359
yeah on dire safelane grab quelling, cut the tree to get back access to the hard camp, axes to clear it quickly and then you should make it back to the lane without missing any lane cs

radiant safelane, aggro the medium camp near the rune, move down and cut the tree at the back of the easy camp and then you can axe both camps for more efficiency
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-31 13:43:03
March 31 2015 13:42 GMT
#360
On March 31 2015 05:07 BluemoonSC wrote:
push the wave out, hit the jungle, come back for the next wave, rinse and repeat.


I'm well aware that this is what you can do. however, without items you will not be able to actually do that fast enough so picking up a QB before, say, phase boots, is not worthwhile..
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