The fervor change is strange. He is better at roshing and hitting towers i guess? I remember when this hero was a beast in lane, not so much anymore.

I guess he could work in some specific drafts where your objective is to take rosh and push towers as 5.

Logo

United States7542 Posts

December 22 2015 17:19 GMT

#382

Troll always struck me as a liability after the last round of new items. Glimmer Cape, Solar Crest, and Silver Edge all really mess with the way Troll likes to fight to some extent.

Maybe the recent changes buff him to be worth taking? But it seems like if he's popular you'd just see more heroes that bring break items/abilities out to make Troll dead in the water outside of getting BKB off before Silver Edge (or whatever break).

BluemoonSC

SoCal8908 Posts

May 18 2016 18:07 GMT

#383

How is troll these days. sn0 and I were talking about him last night and he seemed to think he's garbage. I still think he's good if youre active and fight/push until you can't fight and push any more.

Does he need specific items to succeed? Is he a niche hero?

Also - paging beesa bc I know you were playing him the other day.

Skynx

Turkey7150 Posts

May 18 2016 19:42 GMT

#384

Far from the 70% winrate era

Its a niche pick at best when there are carries like Sven, gyro, slark who get active with less items and farm faster early on.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

May 18 2016 20:24 GMT

#385

If Troll's supports are good he farms faster in lane than anyone except maybe TB and Sven since he can kill anything at lvl 3. He's also quite nasty against a lot of these manfight carries since he can out-manfight them. He definitely gets online and fights well if he gets a good start.

Troll is quite strong if you get an easy lane, but when half the time the safelane is the suicide lane, he's really weak without excellent rotations since his midgame is quite bad playing from behind. The -15 dmg nerf just makes him so volatile.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8908 Posts

May 18 2016 20:40 GMT

#386

how would you build him most games (assuming safelane isn't suicide lane)

Skynx

Turkey7150 Posts

May 18 2016 21:05 GMT

#387

Phase + Aquila into Yasha/morbid/domi depending on how easy the lane is, finish domi stack ancients, bkb or finish sny/manta depending on game.
Usually mkb as 1st big item, satanic or fly/skadi again situational.
Only go crit if opponent carries got mkb already and u badly need damage, otherwise its not as good as skadi/fly/satanic.
(Only 4k altho 69% on tw)

Edit: played few games, as Ver said i just skyrocketed agains furion offlane. If team can secure freefarm its fkin fun to play tw, just facerush and see a gyro melt.

Shikada

Serbia976 Posts

May 21 2016 07:25 GMT

#388

One random thing about troll is that Phoenix is very much in the meta right now, and he's a very good counter to him. Whoever in the team is facing the egg, just ulti and watch the phoenix cry

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United States7542 Posts

May 21 2016 13:40 GMT

#389

On May 21 2016 16:25 Shikada wrote:
One random thing about troll is that Phoenix is very much in the meta right now, and he's a very good counter to him. Whoever in the team is facing the egg, just ulti and watch the phoenix cry

At the same time that would mean troll can't ulty until Phoenix does which is trading a core's effectiveness for a support's. It's the same reason giving up a core slot for a silencer doesn't work vs phoenix. Phoenix also likes enemies that tie themselves to a target like troll does with fervor and bashlord status.

Troll is decent, but you need a line up where he'd be doing well anyways and it's not the ult that helps, you just use your naturally fast attack speed and bashlord status to deal with phoenix, not the ult.

nojok

France15845 Posts

June 06 2016 17:57 GMT

#390

Randomed this guy 2 times in my last 5 games, once laning against tide and a support tusk on my side, awful lane, jungle always empty because of our NP + SF flashfarmers, was a burden all game outside of accelerating objectives. We still won but wow it's tough to come back in the game. Second game, had an amazing support rubick against a timber, I thought he would wreck us but fervor prevents timber to be too cocky with his reactive armor shenanigans and rubick was damn on point with his telekinesis to cancel chains, zoning and pull timing. I snowballed super hard and the guy is easy to keep snowballing. Mates were super careful going out of their way to resplenish my mana with bottle or arcanes, it helped a lot to farm.

Overall I don't find he farms that fast, He loves to 1v1, lucky bashes happen and he's super fun to play though I feel as much as he's amazing at going forward, he's extremeley awful at retreating. I tried stacking ancients but he can't solo them in the way other heroes can, he needs the help of the team.

Pontual

Brazil3038 Posts

March 10 2017 14:29 GMT

#391

I feel like troll is the hero to watch atm. He's being picked more and more this qualifier and his winrate seems good. So, what is the build here, dominator, sange yasha, bkb, manta/skadi? Should i go roshan and 5-man take all towers with him? How to counter him? And also is he really good or am i wrong.

Barkley

Brazil103 Posts

March 10 2017 18:27 GMT

#392

Troll was a case of "Nerfed therefore don't pick"; he went from broken to fair in my opinion but I guess meta changes made it seem like he was bad. Manta and S&Y overlap each other without increasing Troll abilities in anyway so either one or the other, preferably S&Y. But yeah the build is the same old 2014 build as far as I can see, Troll still does the same thing he was doing back then and you can't really do anything else with him.

Archeon

3253 Posts

March 11 2017 19:31 GMT

#393

6.88 was a pretty major buff for him and his talents aren't bad. Waga said that Troll's probably a top 10 hero right now, so I'm not too surprised to see him come back into the pro scene.

Silver edge is pretty good on him, he has problems with getting kited and actually has solo kill potential on a lot of heroes.

He's probably one of the last heroes SnY is still build on, so it's going to be interesting to see where troll will end up when the item gets some serious love.

Buckyman

1364 Posts

March 11 2017 21:12 GMT

#394

Is Troll a good candidate for the Shadow Blade + Echo Sabre build? He doesn't really need the mana from Echo Sabre, but the ability to be melee when Echo Sabre's ready and ranged when it isn't seems pretty good.

Erasme

Bahamas15899 Posts

March 11 2017 21:25 GMT

#395

no
hotd sny bkb skadi satanic w/e