EPT[Hero] Troll Warlord - Page 19
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
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LA_Morello
Brazil143 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
start with stout, pick up qb from sideshop when u need it since u sure don't need it to CS with, etc. 1 thing of tangos may be greedy depending on what ur lane is gonna look like. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
2 or 3 for hard camp depending on spawn at lv5 it takes like nothing for ez and 1 or 1.5 for hard post phase its even ezier im not saying u pick it up pre phase every game, but if ur lane is ez why not | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
this applies to like any melee safelane carry. i dont really buy the "you dont need it if you know how to last hit" excuse | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 01 2015 08:56 ahswtini wrote: i pick up qb as my first item in lane most of the time because im gonna take whatever edge i can get when last hitting. this applies to like any melee safelane carry. i dont really buy the "you dont need it if you know how to last hit" excuse It's not that "you don't need it if you know how to lasthit", but that past a certain level of ability, you get more lasthitting comfort by forcing the enemy laner away from the lane with items that make you more dangerous to them than by having higher lasthitting damage, but having the enemy laner still be there to bother you. If your lane is free, go ahead and buy a QB. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
Obviously troll contributes a ton with small items, but I wouldn't say that's a blanket rule. Stuff like spec/am/whatever don't have many other uses for 225g. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On April 01 2015 05:59 Dead9 wrote: pre phase it takes like .5 tango to clear ez camp at lv3 if u go 111 2 or 3 for hard camp depending on spawn at lv5 it takes like nothing for ez and 1 or 1.5 for hard post phase its even ezier im not saying u pick it up pre phase every game, but if ur lane is ez why not dunno. when you're safe lane and someone is pulling for you, i dont see much use in getting it if its gonna take you extra regen to make it through the hard camp (dire) or medium camp (radiant). i personally value a quicker morbid mask so that if shit hits the fan you don't have to necessarily go back to base. like yango said, its a matter of comfort by being able to stay in lane, however you choose to do it. that's why i see the value in getting qb after morbid or after helm | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 01 2015 10:06 BluemoonSC wrote: like yango said, its a matter of comfort by being able to stay in lane, however you choose to do it. You're arguing 2 different things. I think you rarely want QB as the first 225 gold you spend after you get to lane, but after Boots/Basi it starts to get tricky. Especially if you have level 6+Phase, QB lets you push tower faster (since you kill creeps faster), so even if you aren't necessarily going straight to the jungle after, it has its uses once you no longer want to maintain creep equilibrium, especially with how fast Troll can break tower with ult + 1-2 supports. Buying it just to go jungle with Mask isn't the only reason you buy QB. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
Sure, that usually means both teams have shitty lanes, but this whole pentacore thing produces a lot of shitty lanes. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8908 Posts
On April 01 2015 10:22 TheYango wrote: You're arguing 2 different things. I think you rarely want QB as the first 225 gold you spend after you get to lane, but after Boots/Basi it starts to get tricky. Especially if you have level 6+Phase, QB lets you push tower faster (since you kill creeps faster), so even if you aren't necessarily going straight to the jungle after, it has its uses once you no longer want to maintain creep equilibrium, especially with how fast Troll can break tower with ult + 1-2 supports. Buying it just to go jungle with Mask isn't the only reason you buy QB. true, but I think that comfort of getting the mask a little sooner is part of my reason for holding onto the 225 gold. i'll play around with it some more, as I plan on spamming troll for a little while | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
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Gear 3rd
1244 Posts
I just yesterday started counterpicking wyvern against him... and it works REALLY well. And I mean I did it with a reason.: Her Q can kite him temporarly very easy; her W is a nice burst and slow (additional kiting); E obviously negates his physical dmg on one target ( and troll has issues switching targets, imo hes good and focusing one after another) and her R disables him for ~3 sec and in the optimal case turns his ult against his own team! Seriously it feels like that hero is made against troll :D and my game sample size for now is 2!!! which is more than one, which means im right! So for 6.84 just add ww to cm  | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On April 22 2015 23:41 Gear 3rd wrote: Concerning all the troll issues... I just yesterday started counterpicking wyvern against him... and it works REALLY well. And I mean I did it with a reason.: Her Q can kite him temporarly very easy; her W is a nice burst and slow (additional kiting); E obviously negates his physical dmg on one target ( and troll has issues switching targets, imo hes good and focusing one after another) and her R disables him for ~3 sec and in the optimal case turns his ult against his own team! Seriously it feels like that hero is made against troll :D and my game sample size for now is 2!!! which is more than one, which means im right! So for 6.84 just add ww to cm I did try WW too it works if your team coordinates well. Fundamentally, WW has some tools to deal with troll unlike many others. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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ChunderBoy
3242 Posts
making ur next item even quicker quelling blade also makes u take less harass. just coz u can kill that low creep easier meaning u are there (enemy range) for less time meaning u get hit less | ||
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Rodrak
United States165 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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