Whats the best way to deal with this guy? I find he often gets out of control in my bracket and will end up raping face in fights despite attempts to shut him down.

fourthirds

Canada132 Posts

March 12 2015 04:04 GMT

#303

Artillery sniper with skadi/SNY is really annoying. I find storm hard to deal with - unless you get that first hit bash he kites well. WW too - healing targets you jump, and god help an ally that ww forces you to attack.

Laserist

Turkey4269 Posts

March 12 2015 13:06 GMT

#304

On March 12 2015 12:30 Slendermang wrote:
Whats the best way to deal with this guy? I find he often gets out of control in my bracket and will end up raping face in fights despite attempts to shut him down.

Good luck kiting him. He can facerape a vast majority of the hero pool with equal farm unless you drag the game with a super carry who can soak up every gold he/she can get.
Sad for you if you play a not-that-core hero and your team try to facetank his mid game.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 12 2015 13:14 GMT

#305

Burst him before his bkb. After that it depends on what hero you have but its kind of annoying when you can't stick to a target after your bkb

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

March 12 2015 15:02 GMT

#306

Heroes like brewmaster are good, haze debuff and useful spells. If you try to man fight you at least need an evasion core. Forcing an mkb before a bkb helps make him killable for a while, long enough for your cores to get online.

Dusa works. Lina is good mid game tempo with euls, you can slow his progression and he becomes really bad.

I think also you need strong supports who can do things while your cores get bkb or mkb.

Logo

United States7542 Posts

March 12 2015 15:33 GMT

#307

I was impressed by an ursa vs my troll recently, though I'd probably take that with a grain of salt (and there are probably better choices). Just the fact that Ursa is a carry-ish hero who naturally goes blink and has big burst means he could pick his initiation time and hit a big burst before axes could really make an effect (especially if it was off someone else's stun or disable). Plus he's able to also take rosh early making it more of a contested thing. A lot of this is game situation of course (he had a good mix of heroes to make him hard to kite and my team was lacking on reliable disables), but I thought it was interesting how annoying fury swipes was even as someone like troll.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

March 12 2015 15:37 GMT

#308

tinker's good too, although hes not too popular nowadays

Also beast master hawk can find him roshing or generally make rosh more difficult. Same with jug.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

March 14 2015 04:42 GMT

#309

Oh, also slark. You can purge off axes, and you ult when troll ults = useless troll ult in man fights. Slark actually matches up fairly well

Mecha King Ghidorah

United States595 Posts

March 14 2015 05:21 GMT

#310

Just curious but why is this hero so popular. Dont see him much like Jugg and whenever I do he generally is kinda easy to beat.

goody153

44118 Posts

March 14 2015 06:49 GMT

#311

On March 14 2015 14:21 Mecha King Ghidorah wrote:
Just curious but why is this hero so popular. Dont see him much like Jugg and whenever I do he generally is kinda easy to beat.

He can manfight most of the other rightclicking heroes and that's with equal farm, ult is like lycan howl and he can snowball really hard.

r_con

United States824 Posts

March 14 2015 07:17 GMT

#312

he wins most lanes, scales well into mid game and late game, with a 2 second bash, he can manfight a shit ton of the cast, he is tanky, he can demolish towers, he can make your whole team demolish towers. He force enemy rightclickers to get mkb/bkb, he can solo rosh, and he can farm incredibly fast.

the dude is just so powerful in pubs.

Liebig

France738 Posts

March 15 2015 19:02 GMT

#313

What do you guys think about sheepstick on troll against all these heroes that you can't actually catch up to, like 522ms sniper kiting you with skadi slow, or ember and shit ?

hunter_x

Germany2762 Posts

March 15 2015 19:42 GMT

#314

well to use the sheepstick you also need to be in range of the sniper. i would get a blink in that situation. try to get in his face before he can attack you.

nojok

France15845 Posts

March 15 2015 21:33 GMT

#315

I've seen sniper getting shit on by fast blink hotd into blink, a lot of games. On the other hand without blink, yeah troll suffers.

Liebig

France738 Posts

March 15 2015 21:46 GMT

#316

Yeah, but what if you blink in and sniper insta manta, like you can't get your bash in, then he mom and skadi slow you in mid late game, what do ?

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

March 15 2015 22:04 GMT

#317

On March 16 2015 06:46 Liebig wrote:
Yeah, but what if you blink in and sniper insta manta, like you can't get your bash in, then he mom and skadi slow you in mid late game, what do ?

Well, you probably need vision of Sniper and shift queue for this to work.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

March 15 2015 23:55 GMT

#318

EDIT: nm

superstartran

United States4013 Posts

March 24 2015 05:48 GMT

#319

On March 12 2015 04:26 lolfail9001 wrote:

Show nested quote +

Sniper is the best laning carry in the game nowadays, i thought we all agreed on that. It's a wasted potential, obviously, but it's greed can totally overcompensate for it.

Sniper can't bully heroes as hard at earlier levels like Troll can. At level 2 you can't even fight Troll because if he lucky bashes you in lane you're 100% dead. I've killed so many mids with RNG bashes at level 2 I can't even begin to remember how much rage I've seen.

Sniper becomes a much stronger laner at 4 when he's got his whole kit setup with Level 2 Shrapnel/Headshot/Extra Range.

On March 16 2015 06:46 Liebig wrote:
Yeah, but what if you blink in and sniper insta manta, like you can't get your bash in, then he mom and skadi slow you in mid late game, what do ?

If Sniper gets touched by Troll mid to late game he should die in like 2 seconds. Blink Dagger is your friend here.

Furikawari

France2522 Posts

March 24 2015 07:44 GMT

#320

On March 24 2015 14:48 superstartran wrote:
If Sniper gets touched by Troll mid to late game he should die in like 2 seconds. Blink Dagger is your friend here.

Eveything is in the "if"

. As a sniper, if troll can take you by surprise it usually means the game is fucked up (no warding, opponents free farming ur jungle etc.) and almost all heroes could have done the same.