In my games this hero is 8-0 last 8 games with him in them. Just seems to have no weaknesses anywhere between minute 0 and however long games go. Feels like every time there a troll in the game he gets a bunch of kills in the lane and snowballs uncontrollably. Slark, PA or Jugg got nothing on this guy.

Slardar

Canada7593 Posts

January 26 2015 16:36 GMT

#263

I'm seriously hating this new pub meta with always Troll or Jugg. If you just lose a single fight which is inevitable he snowballs so damn hard the troll ultimate nets you an extra tower or an extra Rosh that you wouldn't normally get w/o Troll in the lineup.

Most success I've had was to just draft a high magic burst/kiter like QoP. Bully him around early, get Aghanims make him feel the pain.

BluemoonSC

SoCal8910 Posts

January 26 2015 17:04 GMT

#264

On January 27 2015 01:36 Slardar wrote:
I'm seriously hating this new pub meta with always Troll or Jugg. If you just lose a single fight which is inevitable he snowballs so damn hard the troll ultimate nets you an extra tower or an extra Rosh that you wouldn't normally get w/o Troll in the lineup.

Most success I've had was to just draft a high magic burst/kiter like QoP. Bully him around early, get Aghanims make him feel the pain.

that's pretty much how you have to deal with him. you need to kite him and pray for no first hit bashes

Slardar

Canada7593 Posts

January 26 2015 17:11 GMT

#265

Unless he gets blink or Sblade and gets the jump and rng on you. God help you then.

Comeh

United States18918 Posts

January 26 2015 18:40 GMT

#266

Not to mention S&Y + phase is near 522 MS, hard to kite that.

danl9rm

United States3111 Posts

January 26 2015 21:55 GMT

#267

paper, what's your typical build?
phase, sny, shadowblade?
do you get a dagger?

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

January 26 2015 21:56 GMT

#268

On January 27 2015 06:55 danl9rm wrote:
paper, what's your typical build?
phase, sny, shadowblade?
do you get a dagger?

unless it's changed,

On December 31 2014 17:09 paper wrote:
THE STREAK LIVES ON!

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you can watch one of the games from the other side here lmao

http://www.twitch.tv/meepodota/b/605124892

the deso and eagle are trolly purchases, but ive been picking up blink a LOT :D the rust is real tho after the holiday break

paper

13196 Posts

January 27 2015 00:46 GMT

#269

I'll bottle before phase, but I end up selling it pretty fast. Sometimes I'll skip drums to get a faster blink. Lately I've been getting BKB to just counter the enemy line-up, and I need some sustain thru HotD once I sell bottle. MKB is to pre-emptively counter bfly pick-ups (so many AMs and SFs lately) and to have a +dmg item as well. If you're behind on farm, get a quelling to accelerate your CS.

Bottle > Phase > Drums/Yasha/Blink/SNY depending on the game. Maybe throw in quelling/stout/TPs/wards/dust whatever you need to win

I really should dominate creeps more to stack ancients but ancients are pretty harsh on troll without trance. I also don't like rushing HotD to solo rosh because if they catch you, you're dead and you give the enemy a free rosh.

Here are my most recent games on my main account:

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Blink is great vs AM because they never hit you before they blink away. Easy blink, trance, kill.

Shadow blade relies too much on the other team being retarded. Get a blink instead and buy smokes and wards with the rest of the money.

Fwizzz

Philippines4420 Posts

January 27 2015 01:16 GMT

#270

Been having fun playing him. Mid game is troll really shines. People really underestimate the miss chance of whirling axe, so they just hit you while you laugh and wreck them.

igotmyown

United States4291 Posts

January 27 2015 11:48 GMT

#271

I've been doing a lot better with mid troll than safelane troll, seems like there's an earth spirit every time I go safe, and if I don't have backup I'm just dead.

Lash-

Germany61 Posts

January 27 2015 12:58 GMT

#272

On January 27 2015 20:48 igotmyown wrote:
I've been doing a lot better with mid troll than safelane troll, seems like there's an earth spirit every time I go safe, and if I don't have backup I'm just dead.

You should win your lane vs. ES no problem. I don't know but i cant remember losing vs an ES in a 1v1 situation, he wont get a single last hit with his dmg unless he uses his stun/silence to lasthit some.
Ofc you have to be careful when he hits 6, but by that time you should already have an lvl and item advantage i guess.
Make sure you have enough regen to stay near full hp

igotmyown

United States4291 Posts

January 27 2015 17:29 GMT

#273

On January 27 2015 21:58 Lash- wrote:

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Laning isn't the problem, getting ganked by him is. You can just rely on max movement speed to survive most ganks, but not this guy.

toemn

Germany915 Posts

March 02 2015 22:08 GMT

#274

How many points in Fervor do I need to comfortably do Roshan? I usually leave Fervor at lvl 1 and do Rosh at min 15 with Helm and maybe Yasha, but I wanna do it earlier. Can I do rosh with only Helm and no other +dmg items?

Is there any item I should get earlier when playing Troll mid or do I go the same build (+ Bottle) like I would when playing him safelane?

This is the build: (Bottle if playing mid), Aquila, Phase, Helm, Yasha, BKB, Satanic/Manta/Daedalus/Skadi

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

March 02 2015 22:11 GMT

#275

On March 03 2015 07:08 toemn wrote:
How many points in Fervor do I need to comfortably do Roshan? I usually leave Fervor at lvl 1 and do Rosh at min 15 with Helm and maybe Yasha, but I wanna do it earlier. Can I do rosh with only Helm and no other +dmg items?

Is there any item I should get earlier when playing Troll mid or do I go the same build (+ Bottle) like I would when playing him safelane?

This is the build: (Bottle if playing mid), Aquila, Phase, Helm, Yasha, BKB, Satanic/Manta/Daedalus/Skadi

phase+ Helm + max fervor + ult + plenty of time should be enough to solo rosh.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 03 2015 04:07 GMT

#276

I don't like to upgrade hotd so early. I usually just leave it at mask.

robaq

Poland186 Posts

March 03 2015 07:16 GMT

#277

It's actually a very good upgrade. You get +20 dmg, +5 armor and an useful active, if you use the dominated creep at all. If you don't then it's probably not worth it.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

March 03 2015 08:09 GMT

#278

On March 03 2015 16:16 robaq wrote:
It's actually a very good upgrade. You get +20 dmg, +5 armor and an useful active, if you use the dominated creep at all. If you don't then it's probably not worth it.

I think that troll's main need early on is hp. Mask is just for him to farm 24/7. Unlike gyro or Luna, he doesn't really clear stacks well. So it really depends on whether you are going to use the creep effectively.

robaq

Poland186 Posts

March 03 2015 08:27 GMT

#279

I'd say he is decent at clearing stacks once you get SnY, hellbear aura/frost armor and some levels. I honestly think you can't spend that 950 gold any better unless you're fighting non stop and want to get some hp like sange first (sounds bad but saved my ass quite a lot in games i went for it).

fourthirds

Canada132 Posts

March 03 2015 17:34 GMT

#280

Looking at dotabuff, everybody maxes W first, but then it's divided between maxing Q next or maxing E. Maxing Q has a higher win rate but maxing E is more common. Most of the time I max fervor second, but the bash stun of Q scales well and move speed never hurts either. On the other hand, maxing E second gets you 72 more attack speed on a target you're stuck to, and you get that attack speed faster.

How do you guys build troll? Do you always go max Q or max E first or do you decide to do one or the other in game? How do you decide?