EPTOn October 24 2014 02:03 ChunderBoy wrote:
i rarely get lifesteal on this hero
i rarely get lifesteal on this hero
Troll is one of my favorite and most successful heroes, and this is a terrible way to play him, imo.
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Acetone
United States200 Posts
Troll is one of my favorite and most successful heroes, and this is a terrible way to play him, imo. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On October 24 2014 02:05 Acetone wrote: Troll is one of my favorite and most successful heroes, and this is a terrible way to play him, imo. you may have missed this part: On October 22 2014 03:48 ChunderBoy wrote: #1 on dotabuff that wud be me which was true btw (apparently hes #2 now wat a noob) | ||
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Acetone
United States200 Posts
On October 24 2014 00:08 govie wrote: wierd thought here. The new diffusal has more agi less manaburn and the active grants more melee bashes? must be really bad idea right? does the illusions attackspeed also vary? You eventually want a Satanic on Troll, so you'd have to sell the Diffusal Blade. I've never done this build myself, but I've seen it discussed a few times before, and I think it could be fairly strong in the early- and mid-game with and against certain heroes. If you're having problems with being kited, as Torte de Lini has brought up, and Diffusal Blade's Purge slow is a significant reason for you to buy it, I suggest an Orb of Venom instead. Hell, it's really good in general on Troll. | ||
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Acetone
United States200 Posts
On October 24 2014 02:07 Sn0_Man wrote: you may have missed this part: which was true btw (apparently hes #2 now wat a noob) Huh, well, I'm curious about his reasoning for usually forgoing lifesteal on a hero that is essentially all about manning up and hitting people. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
whats lifesteal good for? farming... which isn't really a plan on troll. Eventually its fine just there's limited value early. And it isn't like they can try to right click u if u can get axes on them (60% miss chance lel). Lifesteal's never been an efficient manfight stat actually (unless u've arrived at satanic or have open wounds/feast). | ||
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ChunderBoy
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
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deadmau
960 Posts
I'd note however, if there's a game I'm getting lifesteal earlier than normal, it'll be for very specific purposes like pushing with team or we got synergizing heroes (vlads). If I need an extra creep to micro or execute a push, i grab the HotD. As you can see niche situations that I don't encounter much, and it's not even the lifesteal that's the deciding influence on getting the HotD/vlads or not. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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paper
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On October 23 2014 20:45 Torte de Lini wrote: I don't understand this hero at all. Doesn't feel that good at chasing down heroes at 6/Max Q and doesn't feel any good getting Aquila and using 6 to push towers. Feels like he can't do anything alone or better than another more dedicated role hero. Melts against any magic or nuke and then just falls apart since he doesn't get lifesteal until after BKB/S&Y Any slow completely removes his ability to chase down any hero since your BKB doesn't come until much later. I'd recommend watching some high level replays to get a sense of how to play him and focus on their aggression/positioning. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 24 2014 02:14 Acetone wrote: Huh, well, I'm curious about his reasoning for usually forgoing lifesteal on a hero that is essentially all about manning up and hitting people. Because even for man-fighting stats, Lifesteal is not an efficient one until lategame when you already have sufficient damage, armor, HP, and possibly evasion. Like, for pure fighting power if you compare Lifesteal values to HP sources, Lifesteal actually compares super poorly until lategame when you're actually doing a LOT of damage. On October 24 2014 02:26 Comeh wrote: I think lifesteal is ok in some organized competitive games based around timing a pick into instant rosh but rosh kind of sucks this patch so thats not even that good anymore. You don't need Lifesteal to do this. For early Roshes, -armor from a support getting Medallion impacts doing Rosh more because it makes you do it FASTER. Lifesteal is only going to be super impactful on Rosh solos/2 man Roshes. If you have like 4-5 people hitting Rosh after a pick, you don't need Lifesteal because with Battle Trance you're going to finish crazy fast anyway. On October 24 2014 01:28 govie wrote: does the illusions attackspeed also vary? E : gamepedia doesnt mention it does. If you mean if they benefit from Fervor, the answer is no. It used to be bugged, but this was fixed. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 24 2014 05:04 paper wrote: I'd recommend watching some high level replays to get a sense of how to play him and focus on their aggression/positioning. I tried checking out some in the Live section of Dota 2, but they either fail really hard or aren't that high MMR so to speak. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On October 24 2014 08:15 Torte de Lini wrote: I tried checking out some in the Live section of Dota 2, but they either fail really hard or aren't that high MMR so to speak. Insane! Last 3 won matches of beesa. 24-0-5 : XPM1118 : GPM0993 13-0-4 : XPM0823 : GPM0788 26-2-9 : XPM0891 : GPM0781 Seeing those games i think papers items are fine, i just suck with it. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On October 24 2014 08:34 govie wrote: Insane! Last 3 won matches of beesa. 24-0-5 : XPM1118 : GPM0993 13-0-4 : XPM0823 : GPM0788 26-2-9 : XPM0891 : GPM0781 Seeing those games i think papers items are fine, i just suck with it. You and me both | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
I think we should just do what paper did, watch games of people that know what there doing. #trololo | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
1 advice so far is to get a pms, RoA is not a substitute. PMS makes you more tanky during the earlier levels. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On October 24 2014 05:17 TheYango wrote: You don't need Lifesteal to do this. For early Roshes, -armor from a support getting Medallion impacts doing Rosh more because it makes you do it FASTER. Lifesteal is only going to be super impactful on Rosh solos/2 man Roshes. If you have like 4-5 people hitting Rosh after a pick, you don't need Lifesteal because with Battle Trance you're going to finish crazy fast anyway. Yeah, that's what I meant. Lifesteal otherwise is useful for farming (HotD for stacking, MoM for obvious farming), which isn't really what troll shoudl be doing. Obviously Vlads has some value in armor stacking for pushes, which isn't too bad for Troll, but I really like getting Aquila + Drums. Note: I really need to start watching replays of Beesa. | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On October 24 2014 21:56 govie wrote: 1 advice so far is to get a pms, RoA is not a substitute. PMS makes you more tanky during the earlier levels. When would you finish your PMS: pre or post bottle? | ||
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paper
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