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lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 14:42:01
February 24 2012 14:35 GMT
#1741
On February 24 2012 23:19 Numy wrote:
Man I just soled QoP vs Silencer mid. Most frustrating game of my life. Mainly because every runed spawned bottom and I had no wards so I always went top. Fun times, good thing it was a silencer so doesn't really matter if he gets some farm.

Yeah, it's not like he has a pure damage orb that scales to late game and only needs to stay alive in a teamfight to be a massive nuisance. Oh wait.

For huskar: because his other skills are better. One point in spears let's you orb walk harass which is awesome, but blood is far better for doing damage under almost any circumstance (dot <<<<damage now, attack speed, does more damage anyway) and his heal is far too awesome to leave, especially for mid game fights.

The single point helps you win the lane, but the rest of his skills just work better from there on.

Radi on spec: cancels every blink dagger their team has, instantly. Means your illusions do far more damage, and makes you a bigger target, which means dispersion does more.

Has the downside of instantly killing you if someone has a mjollnir and a radiance though. Hilarious, but sad.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 14:40:55
February 24 2012 14:39 GMT
#1742
On February 24 2012 23:35 lozarian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 23:19 Numy wrote:
Man I just soled QoP vs Silencer mid. Most frustrating game of my life. Mainly because every runed spawned bottom and I had no wards so I always went top. Fun times, good thing it was a silencer so doesn't really matter if he gets some farm.

Yeah, it's not like he has a pure damage orb that scales to late game and only needs to stay alive in a teamfight to be a massive nuisance. Oh wait.



Yea but he's not a hero that if he has an ok early game has a great midgame. So just rape him mid game. A pub won't really keep him alive
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 24 2012 14:41 GMT
#1743
On February 24 2012 23:14 LAN-f34r wrote:
Why is radiance so game-breakingly good on spectre? Multiple radiances don't stack, so they only benefits I see for radience on spectre over other heroes is that she can put the burn on everyone with her ulti for a little while and that she's naturally tanky.

I've seen a few huskar players only get one point in burning spears. Why is this? The damage from it scales linearly, the only reason I could think of is that the self damage is the point of the spell.


Quite frankly its just because he can start the teamfights off so well, burn everyone but more importantly she disperses all the damage taken in a pretty decently wide radius. Radiance is good on all heroes that can survive and just constantly take in damage (in her case, she takes in the damage and dishes it right back).
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MahKh
Profile Joined February 2012
144 Posts
February 24 2012 15:19 GMT
#1744
Why is visage traditionally played as a trilane carry? shouldnt he be played as a support in the trilane? i mean obviously hes going to get lots of last hits on the kills, but why give him the cs as well? he doesnt benefit from farm at all
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 15:28:59
February 24 2012 15:27 GMT
#1745
On February 24 2012 22:12 Zlasher wrote:
Zeus is the worst hero on gods earth for a new player to play, just because they can killsteal doesn't mean its a good hero. The hero is largely useless because he's forced mid, has horrific mobility, horrific right click damage to last hit so you have to use chainlightning, requires great rune control to keep the mana pool up, has one of the worst hp pools in the game, he just overall sucks ass and I never enjoy seeing Zeus as a teammate in my games.


You just haven't played with my Zeus Caboose!

@Lozarian - His orb scales as long as he remains alive and has 1 point into the aura .

QUestion!:
On February 24 2012 08:24 Slardar wrote:
So how does this leaver system work? If someone DCes early on, it says everyone is allowed to leave. Yet this game still counts on my account record as a win/loss?

KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
February 24 2012 16:37 GMT
#1746
On February 25 2012 00:27 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 22:12 Zlasher wrote:
Zeus is the worst hero on gods earth for a new player to play, just because they can killsteal doesn't mean its a good hero. The hero is largely useless because he's forced mid, has horrific mobility, horrific right click damage to last hit so you have to use chainlightning, requires great rune control to keep the mana pool up, has one of the worst hp pools in the game, he just overall sucks ass and I never enjoy seeing Zeus as a teammate in my games.


You just haven't played with my Zeus Caboose!

@Lozarian - His orb scales as long as he remains alive and has 1 point into the aura .

QUestion!:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 08:24 Slardar wrote:
So how does this leaver system work? If someone DCes early on, it says everyone is allowed to leave. Yet this game still counts on my account record as a win/loss?



To answer your question:

If someone leaves, the game is still recorded as a win loss. However you are allowed to leave and take a loss without going to leave queue.
If you win the game 4v5, you get a win.
If you lose, you get a loss.
Same for the other team.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 24 2012 16:39 GMT
#1747
I'm not quite sure if it's still like this but it used to be quite buggy. Games just wouldn't appear in win/loss sometimes if someone quit.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
February 24 2012 16:43 GMT
#1748
On February 25 2012 01:39 Numy wrote:
I'm not quite sure if it's still like this but it used to be quite buggy. Games just wouldn't appear in win/loss sometimes if someone quit.

Yeh I'm having that lately, not sure if its intentional or the games just straight up don't count if the game is considered "Abandonded"
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 17:22:56
February 24 2012 16:44 GMT
#1749
On February 25 2012 01:37 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 00:27 Slardar wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:12 Zlasher wrote:
Zeus is the worst hero on gods earth for a new player to play, just because they can killsteal doesn't mean its a good hero. The hero is largely useless because he's forced mid, has horrific mobility, horrific right click damage to last hit so you have to use chainlightning, requires great rune control to keep the mana pool up, has one of the worst hp pools in the game, he just overall sucks ass and I never enjoy seeing Zeus as a teammate in my games.


You just haven't played with my Zeus Caboose!

@Lozarian - His orb scales as long as he remains alive and has 1 point into the aura .

QUestion!:
On February 24 2012 08:24 Slardar wrote:
So how does this leaver system work? If someone DCes early on, it says everyone is allowed to leave. Yet this game still counts on my account record as a win/loss?



To answer your question:

If someone leaves, the game is still recorded as a win loss. However you are allowed to leave and take a loss without going to leave queue.
If you win the game 4v5, you get a win.
If you lose, you get a loss.
Same for the other team.


Thank you....thats what I thought... it just makes no logical sense in my mind. If someone leaves that early and you're able to leave without leaver que, why does it count on your record? That's like a carte blanche leaving open for anyone to be a dick in that game, and like myself I care about my hidden MMR Win/Loss...so what is the point of leaving? This better be changed soon or before the game goes retail. The better alternative would be put everyone in a higher que priority so it encourages leaving and the people victim to a leaver can find a fresh game asap.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
February 24 2012 17:18 GMT
#1750
On February 25 2012 00:27 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 22:12 Zlasher wrote:
Zeus is the worst hero on gods earth for a new player to play, just because they can killsteal doesn't mean its a good hero. The hero is largely useless because he's forced mid, has horrific mobility, horrific right click damage to last hit so you have to use chainlightning, requires great rune control to keep the mana pool up, has one of the worst hp pools in the game, he just overall sucks ass and I never enjoy seeing Zeus as a teammate in my games.


You just haven't played with my Zeus Caboose!

@Lozarian - His orb scales as long as he remains alive and has 1 point into the aura .

QUestion!:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 08:24 Slardar wrote:
So how does this leaver system work? If someone DCes early on, it says everyone is allowed to leave. Yet this game still counts on my account record as a win/loss?



Each level of burning spears gives huskar 18 damage per attack, post reduction, which berzerkers blood gives you at 37% life, and improves if you get lower, combined with the increased attack speed. Yeah, it's a decent orb, but it's jus not as good as blood, not even close. You could make the argument that it's worth getting if you have a healer, but take into account how huskar plays- massive burst of damage, stuff dies quickly. You don't give the orb anywhere near the time to do damage most of the time, I'd be surprised if you got more than 2 seconds of burn most of the time, which is 8 damage per skill point.

Combine this with that it's a dot, and it's no worth it, IMO. It did get buffed reasonably recently though, I might experiment with it, but it's never impressed me, I've gotten far more kills thanks to level 1 heal than the extra 12 damage/attack would have gotten me, I think, and I'm certainly not taking it over blood.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 24 2012 17:22 GMT
#1751
On February 25 2012 02:18 lozarian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 00:27 Slardar wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:12 Zlasher wrote:
Zeus is the worst hero on gods earth for a new player to play, just because they can killsteal doesn't mean its a good hero. The hero is largely useless because he's forced mid, has horrific mobility, horrific right click damage to last hit so you have to use chainlightning, requires great rune control to keep the mana pool up, has one of the worst hp pools in the game, he just overall sucks ass and I never enjoy seeing Zeus as a teammate in my games.


You just haven't played with my Zeus Caboose!

@Lozarian - His orb scales as long as he remains alive and has 1 point into the aura .

QUestion!:
On February 24 2012 08:24 Slardar wrote:
So how does this leaver system work? If someone DCes early on, it says everyone is allowed to leave. Yet this game still counts on my account record as a win/loss?



Each level of burning spears gives huskar 18 damage per attack, post reduction, which berzerkers blood gives you at 37% life, and improves if you get lower, combined with the increased attack speed. Yeah, it's a decent orb, but it's jus not as good as blood, not even close. You could make the argument that it's worth getting if you have a healer, but take into account how huskar plays- massive burst of damage, stuff dies quickly. You don't give the orb anywhere near the time to do damage most of the time, I'd be surprised if you got more than 2 seconds of burn most of the time, which is 8 damage per skill point.

Combine this with that it's a dot, and it's no worth it, IMO. It did get buffed reasonably recently though, I might experiment with it, but it's never impressed me, I've gotten far more kills thanks to level 1 heal than the extra 12 damage/attack would have gotten me, I think, and I'm certainly not taking it over blood.


Oh sorry LOzarian, I didn't make it clear I guess, I was referring to the Silencer comment you made above. I completely agree with the Huskar thing, only 1, MAX 2 points into Burning Spears, sometimes none at all if your doing fine in the lane.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
February 24 2012 17:26 GMT
#1752
Ahhh, fair enough. Silencer as dps is woefully underestimated IMO. Especially since the buff - dude hits like a truck.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 24 2012 18:51 GMT
#1753
1 level is taken for orbwalk harass, and I am unsure if Burning spears stacks with lifesteal, I don't think so and Huskkar is very powerfull if he attacks incredibly fast, high damage and steals life back, marginally ''outhealing'' his opponents damage while doing a truckload of damage.

Problem with Silencer is he dies too fast, but yes I feel like he does alot of damage, not enough to be a carry though but if he gets force staff and guinsoos somehow then he is a force to be reckoned with.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 24 2012 18:58 GMT
#1754
On February 25 2012 03:51 Kipsate wrote:
1 level is taken for orbwalk harass, and I am unsure if Burning spears stacks with lifesteal, I don't think so and Huskkar is very powerfull if he attacks incredibly fast, high damage and steals life back, marginally ''outhealing'' his opponents damage while doing a truckload of damage.

Problem with Silencer is he dies too fast, but yes I feel like he does alot of damage, not enough to be a carry though but if he gets force staff and guinsoos somehow then he is a force to be reckoned with.


I think Silencer will never be able to get enough survivability alone. If you build a team around him carrying then I think it's possible. Just picking him and hoping you can farm enough to survive I think won't work.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
February 24 2012 21:49 GMT
#1755
On February 25 2012 03:51 Kipsate wrote:
1 level is taken for orbwalk harass, and I am unsure if Burning spears stacks with lifesteal, I don't think so and Huskkar is very powerfull if he attacks incredibly fast, high damage and steals life back, marginally ''outhealing'' his opponents damage while doing a truckload of damage.

Problem with Silencer is he dies too fast, but yes I feel like he does alot of damage, not enough to be a carry though but if he gets force staff and guinsoos somehow then he is a force to be reckoned with.


Yeah correct, Spears doesn't stalk with lifeleech.... that would be OP as hell if it did lol. For that sole purpose is why I never invest usually more than 1 max 2 into it.

Silencer to me is one of the hardest int carries, besides OD and QoP+Storm, but he's the squishiest wherein lies the problem. If you get a Sheepstick and silencestick....I feel he outcarries any agility NO problem at that point.
Remfire
Profile Joined October 2010
492 Posts
February 24 2012 22:37 GMT
#1756
On February 25 2012 02:26 lozarian wrote:
Ahhh, fair enough. Silencer as dps is woefully underestimated IMO. Especially since the buff - dude hits like a truck.

+1 I completely agree silencer can really be a force, especially late game
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
February 24 2012 22:54 GMT
#1757
but OD just outshines him in every way
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
February 24 2012 23:06 GMT
#1758
On February 25 2012 07:54 cilinder007 wrote:
but OD just outshines him in every way

No, just no. The disruption by aoe-silences can be invaluable. It is much easier to iniate on OD than it is on silencer. Also silencer can contribute to a minor fight even when he is across the map.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
February 25 2012 00:25 GMT
#1759
I think as soon as ogre magi is back in the game we might well see some of the old ogre magi +silencer strats from ages ago, 75% of int damage is not to be sniffed at.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
Fatalize
Profile Joined January 2011
France5210 Posts
February 25 2012 00:44 GMT
#1760
Why does the time for TPing with a scroll sometimes change ? It seems to me like it takes twice more times sometimes.
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