• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:50
CEST 14:50
KST 21:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun9[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists21[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) WardiTV Spring Cup RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo) $5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
[TOOL] Starcraft Chat Translator ASL21 General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Korean KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2362 users

Simple Questions, Simple Answers - Page 67

Forum Index > Dota 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 65 66 67 68 69 1254 Next
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
January 25 2012 16:00 GMT
#1321
On January 25 2012 22:12 Bloodash wrote:also, how many other heroes can jungle effectively from lvl 1? enigma, furion,... dark seer perhaps?


SK can as well. Not as good as farming a lane, most likely, and you delay leveling your stun a little more than I would prefer, but it can be done from level 1 if you have 2 good solo heroes.
lozarian
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1043 Posts
January 25 2012 16:18 GMT
#1322
On January 26 2012 01:00 scorch- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 22:12 Bloodash wrote:also, how many other heroes can jungle effectively from lvl 1? enigma, furion,... dark seer perhaps?


SK can as well. Not as good as farming a lane, most likely, and you delay leveling your stun a little more than I would prefer, but it can be done from level 1 if you have 2 good solo heroes.


He's one of the "it can be done but I'd rather it weren't" heroes. Iff (sic) you have no other viable laning option then he can, but you do lose a lot from it.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
January 25 2012 16:58 GMT
#1323
Well, if you look at just SK's progression, it's slower, but if you look at SK + the hero soloing the long lane, their combined progression can be much faster assuming you have a potm or other hero that can effectively solo 1v2. SK jungling can keep on pace with a dual lane's xp if done correctly.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
January 25 2012 18:33 GMT
#1324
On January 26 2012 01:58 scorch- wrote:
Well, if you look at just SK's progression, it's slower, but if you look at SK + the hero soloing the long lane, their combined progression can be much faster assuming you have a potm or other hero that can effectively solo 1v2. SK jungling can keep on pace with a dual lane's xp if done correctly.


Is caustic really that good for jungling? SK has a bit low armor and no way to regen, if sand storm worked better I could see him working with a sand storm + caustic build, sand storm a weak creep, caustic for damage on the bigger ones. Should be very effective on stacked creeps, sadly sand storm doesn't work (last I checked). :/
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 25 2012 18:51 GMT
#1325
On January 26 2012 03:33 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2012 01:58 scorch- wrote:
Well, if you look at just SK's progression, it's slower, but if you look at SK + the hero soloing the long lane, their combined progression can be much faster assuming you have a potm or other hero that can effectively solo 1v2. SK jungling can keep on pace with a dual lane's xp if done correctly.


Is caustic really that good for jungling? SK has a bit low armor and no way to regen, if sand storm worked better I could see him working with a sand storm + caustic build, sand storm a weak creep, caustic for damage on the bigger ones. Should be very effective on stacked creeps, sadly sand storm doesn't work (last I checked). :/


I've been assuming they talking about Skeleton king?
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
January 25 2012 18:58 GMT
#1326
CRiXaLiS is not a good jungler.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
January 25 2012 19:07 GMT
#1327
Why does almost all dota tournament games start later than they should? Even when the teams have no official games prior?
St.Velten
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany222 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 21:43:52
January 25 2012 20:34 GMT
#1328
On January 26 2012 04:07 Yurie wrote:
Why does almost all dota tournament games start later than they should? Even when the teams have no official games prior?


I was wondering this also. To be fair it is hard to coordinate 10 players + casters but other games like cs hon and lol seem to be able to do it in time. The game is still in beta but that cant be the only reason for so many games to be delayed. Its sad to say but there seems to be a lack professionalism for some teams.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 21:00:23
January 25 2012 20:59 GMT
#1329
sk is skeleton king or sandking, but i think he's talking about skeleking
sandking can jungle alright too, though it depends a bit on the spawns

all heroes can jungle (if they aren't disturbed) at a decent rate by pulling, and most can jungle even without pulls, but generally it's fairly dangerous and not as effective as just being in lane. skeleking/mirana lane is better than sk in the jungle mirana lane most of the time

chen, enchant, enigma, furion, ursa, darkseer, axe, naix, and maybe batrider are probably the only heroes in dota 2 worth sending to the jungle
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
January 26 2012 03:29 GMT
#1330
Can somone show me some good invoker VODS, so i can see how CHinese teams are using him.
if you can believe you can concieve
3Y3S
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada177 Posts
January 26 2012 05:31 GMT
#1331
cant find the links off the top of my head, but mainly games casted my Nebu1a or Luminous featuring Ferrari_430 ( back when he was in ccm, when his invoker got famed) around 1 year ago or so. you'll find the vods on Dotacommentaries.com
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12084 Posts
January 26 2012 05:41 GMT
#1332
On January 26 2012 05:59 Dead9 wrote:
chen, enchant, enigma, furion, ursa, darkseer, axe, naix, and maybe batrider are probably the only heroes in dota 2 worth sending to the jungle


Rexxar can jungle quite well with stacked camps and axes. Needs bottle courier for it though. Only worthwhile if there is no good lane for him, he is a borderline case just as bat.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
January 26 2012 09:03 GMT
#1333
On January 26 2012 12:29 TheWarbler wrote:
Can somone show me some good invoker VODS, so i can see how CHinese teams are using him.

A bit old, but still good: http://www.gosugamers.net/dota/replays/46331
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
January 26 2012 09:18 GMT
#1334
Where is a good place to get pro vods? I can't seem to find any on tobi's channel. I want commentated videos, not replays. Thanks much!
Currently editing items in the DotA 2 wiki. PM for questions/suggestions.
smr
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4808 Posts
January 26 2012 11:26 GMT
#1335
Hi everybody.
When I a-click a creep and spam "stop" to get the moment right for the last hit, my hero will randomly attack another creep at times. I guess it's a problem on my side because others get it right, so what am I doing wrong?
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 26 2012 11:28 GMT
#1336
when you spam stop you cancel all previous commands, including your a-click, so your hero should hit the nearest creep instead of whatever you targeted after you stop spamming
3Y3S
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada177 Posts
January 26 2012 12:30 GMT
#1337
On January 26 2012 20:26 smr wrote:
Hi everybody.
When I a-click a creep and spam "stop" to get the moment right for the last hit, my hero will randomly attack another creep at times. I guess it's a problem on my side because others get it right, so what am I doing wrong?

nothing really, its about positioning, usually the hero targets the closest creep, which is why the "spamming stop" method is inferior to simply walking around then goign for the last hit;
its also worse because it makes you stand still for a long period of time (1 sec or so) making ganking you that much easier; its also bad because it lets ur lane opponent guess when ur going for the last hit, so in general its simply better to walk around then just a click the creep you want to get
3Y3S
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada177 Posts
January 26 2012 12:31 GMT
#1338
On January 26 2012 18:18 galtdunn wrote:
Where is a good place to get pro vods? I can't seem to find any on tobi's channel. I want commentated videos, not replays. Thanks much!

www.dotacommentaries.com;
lots of great content there
The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
January 26 2012 12:53 GMT
#1339
Personally I prefer walking around then 'a' clicking the creep as 3Y3S said, but spamming stop is not that much worse and I sometimes do it.

Just make sure u a click or right click the creep you want to last hit when it's low.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
January 26 2012 13:30 GMT
#1340
When people go for the "walk around" method, do u guys walk around a spot like ure circling a patch of grass or sth, or do u just randomly go anywhere u want until u're rdy to get the last hit/deny?
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
Prev 1 65 66 67 68 69 1254 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Big Gabe
12:00
Big Gabe Open #1
mouzHeroMarine527
IndyStarCraft 111
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 527
Ryung 206
IndyStarCraft 111
herO (SOOP) 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5059
Sea 2464
Jaedong 1587
EffOrt 916
HiyA 809
Hyuk 490
Soma 464
Stork 384
Snow 340
ggaemo 294
[ Show more ]
Light 292
actioN 247
Zeus 192
Soulkey 180
Last 177
ToSsGirL 169
ZerO 166
Rush 152
firebathero 127
Mini 92
Larva 89
hero 73
Pusan 72
Sharp 65
sSak 50
Backho 34
Barracks 32
yabsab 29
Terrorterran 26
Shine 24
Free 24
Sacsri 23
soO 22
Bale 19
sorry 18
Movie 16
Shinee 16
IntoTheRainbow 15
Noble 15
Sexy 15
GoRush 12
scan(afreeca) 10
Dota 2
XaKoH 480
ODPixel122
BananaSlamJamma91
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2859
zeus703
x6flipin588
markeloff177
edward79
Other Games
singsing2025
B2W.Neo1351
hiko419
Lowko375
crisheroes281
DeMusliM262
Livibee23
ZerO(Twitch)15
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 944
StarCraft 2
IntoTheiNu 143
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream64
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP31
• StrangeGG 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV415
League of Legends
• TFBlade1209
• Jankos1195
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
20h 10m
Escore
21h 10m
OSC
1d
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
RSL Revival
1d 21h
Classic vs GgMaChine
Rogue vs Maru
WardiTV Invitational
1d 22h
IPSL
2 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
IPSL
3 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
GSL
5 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
6 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.