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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Fruscainte
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Also, Vanguard -- I know it's a rather vague question, but any AGI/INT heroes where it's almost absolutely necessary to grab Vanguard on, for future reference? The reason I ask is, I get Health Ring on pretty much every Hero these days, and it builds into that, and gives pretty damn good survivability. So yeah. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
On December 10 2011 13:24 Fruscainte wrote: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks yo. Also, Vanguard -- I know it's a rather vague question, but any AGI/INT heroes where it's almost absolutely necessary to grab Vanguard on, for future reference? The reason I ask is, I get Health Ring on pretty much every Hero these days, and it builds into that, and gives pretty damn good survivability. So yeah. dark seer, viper, razor, antimage, necrolyte, spectre and death prophet | ||
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:05 Sina92 wrote: dark seer, viper, razor, antimage, necrolyte, spectre and death prophet I'd add Weaver to this list. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
If we're being picky, veno should be on there as well. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:00 FinestHour wrote: Now the question you should have asked was, what hero is vanguard not good on. Man you must be following that old guide | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:00 FinestHour wrote: Now the question you should have asked was, what hero is vanguard not good on. Truth. As 2009 says, "Vanguard has the highest performance-to-cost ratio." Three other heroes that utilize vanguard well are Naga Siren, Phantom Lancer, and Ursa Warrior. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On December 10 2011 18:55 flamewheel wrote: Truth. As 2009 says, "Vanguard has the highest performance-to-cost ratio." Three other heroes that utilize vanguard well are Naga Siren, Phantom Lancer, and Ursa Warrior. I remember a pub where we were getting quite a stomping but i still managed to solo a Drow Ranger with like 4 times the farm as spectre with just PT and Vanguard, i was level 14 so the desolate + dispersion did quite a damage. Lanaya pwns with vanguard&PT too. Basicaly any hero that needs to stay close to the enemy but has rather low hp can benefit a great deal from vanguard. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 10 2011 15:00 FinestHour wrote: Now the question you should have asked was, what hero is vanguard not good on. If you need to survive longer a vanguard is good. Vanguard is basically an item that will always be good for that role. The question is not what hero a vanguard is not good on, merely when do I not need that over another item. Vanguard is just good. If you a lion that's dying before you can have an impact in every single fight then hell you can get a vanguard on him. I remember there was a time when every hero on a team went vanguard. | ||
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Yurie
12173 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:26 Numy wrote: If you need to survive longer a vanguard is good. Vanguard is basically an item that will always be good for that role. The question is not what hero a vanguard is not good on, merely when do I not need that over another item. Vanguard is just good. If you a lion that's dying before you can have an impact in every single fight then hell you can get a vanguard on him. I remember there was a time when every hero on a team went vanguard. That probably was before the nerf to ranged heroes vanguard. Before that pretty much every single hero had that as a core item. | ||
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SpiZe
Canada3640 Posts
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
On December 10 2011 14:05 Sina92 wrote: dark seer, viper, razor, antimage, necrolyte, spectre and death prophet I'm not saying it's a bad item in every situation, but I never ever put vanguard on range heroes. I'd rather go for 2 bracers then. | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
On December 10 2011 22:40 Muki wrote: I'm not saying it's a bad item in every situation, but I never ever put vanguard on range heroes. I'd rather go for 2 bracers then. If you need some hp regen than vanguard is still 100% viable on ranged, unlees you're going for lifesteal. | ||
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Ornithorynquez
430 Posts
Is it random ? Does some teams prefers to play a side in particular ? What's the difference ? Does teams in competitive matches have to play both sides at some point to "even" things ? Or the side you're on doesnt really matters that much ? | ||
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KroplaBeskidu
1093 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:01 Ornithorynquez wrote: I've never watched DotA(²) before, and by seeing that heroes are divided between "Radiant & Dire" i was wondering how teams decides which side they play. Is it random ? Does some teams prefers to play a side in particular ? What's the difference ? Does teams in competitive matches have to play both sides at some point to "even" things ? Or the side you're on doesnt really matters that much ? Not sure about dota 2 but should be the same as dota 1 right. So in theory both sides are pretty much equal. In practice there are some subtle differences in the map layout on each side, many are easy to spot just by looking at the map, some others are a bit more technical and you either know it or you don't. I'm no know-it-all and I doubt there's any complete guide to all the differences available anywhere either, you just learn this stuff as you go along. All in all it adds an interesting twist to the game now that you know both sides aren't exactly equal, although close to it. I suppose it could naturally be compared to white and black in chess but I think that may be a bit of a stretch. And I guess most people would say Scourge (Dire in dota 2) is white because of better access to roshan. But the thing is in chess white gets to move first in every single game. In dota the roshan thing sometimes comes into play, some other times it's absolutely no factor. Same for all the other little things. So I'm not sure the difference is as big as in chess, personally I'm in the "doesn't matter that much" crowd. How it's actually picked in a one off tournament game, or who gets which side first in a best of set I'm not sure, but it should ideally be chosen randomly I guess? In a best of set sides are alternated in consecutive games. | ||
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borlee
Liechtenstein246 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 10 2011 20:30 Yurie wrote: That probably was before the nerf to ranged heroes vanguard. Before that pretty much every single hero had that as a core item. Yea it was. This was years ago. Remember it was quite soon after the item just got released. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On December 11 2011 08:01 Ornithorynquez wrote: I've never watched DotA(²) before, and by seeing that heroes are divided between "Radiant & Dire" i was wondering how teams decides which side they play. Is it random ? Does some teams prefers to play a side in particular ? What's the difference ? Does teams in competitive matches have to play both sides at some point to "even" things ? Or the side you're on doesnt really matters that much ? GosuGamers has an article up, as of a few days ago, that addresses the latter point. Statistics from SMM pointed to a clear advantage for the Scourge (and thus presumably for the Dire), probably due to proximity to Roshan. There are some map imbalances - more pull spots for Sentinel, Rosh control for Dire - but our understanding of how they really alter gameplay at a concrete level isn't very good. Partially for that reason it's standard to switch sides after every game. | ||
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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