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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 02:32:00
December 05 2011 02:30 GMT
#821
Why is it that a lot of times people would rather get a Helm of the Dominator rather than just sticking with the Morbid Mask? Why pay 950 more for no more lifesteal, which in the end is really the point of the item. For like, Drow ranger or sniper, why not just spend the 950 to get a faster manta or whatever next item. Is it worth it to pay 950 to lose 3 hp regen and gain 20 damage when you can get a faster manta
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lixlix
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States482 Posts
December 05 2011 02:50 GMT
#822
950 for 20 damage is actually quite good. not a lot of items give you 20 damage for 950.

you also get +5 armor which is quite a bit.

You should also be using the dominate ability quite a bit.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 05 2011 03:03 GMT
#823
950 for 20 damage, a dominate ability to stack camps, and a 30% increase in EHP? It doesn't get more efficient than that. Plus progressing to Satanic is pretty nice later on as a luxury item.
Get it by your hands...
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 03:06:27
December 05 2011 03:04 GMT
#824
the question should be 'why low max hp dps heroes get lifesteal as the first core item?'.

Answer: 'noob is noob'.

on a serious note, late game lifesteal on dps heroes can be pretty insane and you can make satanic with the same slot. plus is nice that u can control some creep with helm.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
December 05 2011 03:09 GMT
#825
On December 05 2011 11:30 Zlasher wrote:
Why is it that a lot of times people would rather get a Helm of the Dominator rather than just sticking with the Morbid Mask? Why pay 950 more for no more lifesteal, which in the end is really the point of the item. For like, Drow ranger or sniper, why not just spend the 950 to get a faster manta or whatever next item. Is it worth it to pay 950 to lose 3 hp regen and gain 20 damage when you can get a faster manta


helm of the dominator does have lifesteal. and 3hp regen is only worth maybe 400g.

20damage+ Dominate a creep (which could mean a variety of auras or spells). is insanely powerful, and a bargain at 1850g
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
December 05 2011 04:51 GMT
#826
On December 05 2011 12:03 Judicator wrote:
950 for 20 damage, a dominate ability to stack camps, and a 30% increase in EHP? It doesn't get more efficient than that. Plus progressing to Satanic is pretty nice later on as a luxury item.

People who don't stack underestimate the extra creep so much. If all you do with it is just stack ancients every minute it pays for itself super fast, ofc you can get a purge/aoe stun/net etc. It's so good in the hands of someone who uses it correctly.
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
December 05 2011 07:37 GMT
#827
Question:

I just got invited to the Dota 2 beta, how do I check if I have any invite(s) to give to friends?
Rise Up!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
December 05 2011 07:41 GMT
#828
From the Steam portal go to games -> manage gifts
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
December 05 2011 07:48 GMT
#829
Thanks man, it doesn't seem as though I have any to give out. Will something inform me or do I just have to check back on that thing daily?
Rise Up!
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
December 05 2011 10:27 GMT
#830
If you werent invited by valve then you don't have the 2 extra invites (that comes with official invite), unless you get another (official)key I guess lol
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10848 Posts
December 05 2011 11:42 GMT
#831
On December 05 2011 11:30 Zlasher wrote:
Why is it that a lot of times people would rather get a Helm of the Dominator rather than just sticking with the Morbid Mask? Why pay 950 more for no more lifesteal, which in the end is really the point of the item. For like, Drow ranger or sniper, why not just spend the 950 to get a faster manta or whatever next item. Is it worth it to pay 950 to lose 3 hp regen and gain 20 damage when you can get a faster manta


Aren't most people getting "helm of iron will" first and the Mask later?
In the early game lifeleech is not really strong while +3 HP Regen and Armor is very decent?

But I don't play many Agi-Rangeds, so I could be off (and would probably not build HoD that early for them anyway).

As for HoD in general.. I doubt there is any other Item that is as easy to obtain and as powerful?
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
December 05 2011 13:25 GMT
#832
Getting Helm of Domi, and really almost every lifesteal as first item in generic is fail, unless the item is specifically needed for your hero like:
Vlads for pushing broodmother, lycan, and ofc. ursa for rosh
MoM for the likes of riki, sven
Dominator maybe for Mortred since it gives her decent survivability.
But there are better options than these. When I see a Trax, DK, sniper etc. get lifesteal first I facepalm.
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
December 05 2011 13:52 GMT
#833
does quitting private matches also count towards your low priority status? i was messing around with bots earlier and then i suddenly get hit with low priority... was just wondering
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
December 05 2011 14:12 GMT
#834
On December 04 2011 04:21 Qbek wrote:
I'll answer the unasked question, they're not avaible in cm becuase they're not balanced because they're new heroes or were recently remade.


Why don't they nerf the op heroes? How long has phoenix been out? How long generally till they become available in cm?
Kaemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Spain52 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 14:37:48
December 05 2011 14:34 GMT
#835
On December 05 2011 23:12 epoc wrote:
Why don't they nerf the op heroes? How long has phoenix been out? How long generally till they become available in cm?

They do; but they don't rush the nerfs/fixes unless is really necesary (big glitch, gamebreaking issues).
When a hero is new; most of its "OverPower" may come from people not knowing yet what his skills are or how to counter the hero in general.
Also, take in mind that Dota is a Warcraft 3 map, and that you get kicked most of the time if trying to download it directly in-game; so rushing versions weekly is not really apreactiated (and I personaly hate that my LoL needs a freaking 100 MBs update everytime I feel like playing 2 matches).

I don't know about Phoenix or Rubick (since I stopped playing Dota many months ago); but usually they don't get in -CM until they had been out for "a while". Is not only about them being OP or not; but also because you can't allow heroes that may still have some exploitable bugs/glitches to get in the "real matches"; and sometimes there is really weird shit going on when they interact with some items, heroe abilities or other things.
(I personaly remember/loved Bat Rider's Sticky Naplam increasing Radiance damage)

Also... Sometimes is hard to tell when an hero is "OP". Most of the "NERF PLEASE IS TOO OP" petitions are for heroes that you never see in the competitive scene, because their only (or most) strong point is owning in the 1v1 situation seen so many times in pubs; but they apport nothing to a (Real, with coordination) team fight or are really easy to put down.

I felt like answering; but I'm not an expert in the theme. Sorry :-P
Kaemon
Profile Joined September 2011
Spain52 Posts
December 05 2011 14:39 GMT
#836
On December 05 2011 22:25 Muki wrote:
Getting Helm of Domi, and really almost every lifesteal as first item in generic is fail, unless the item is specifically needed for your hero like:
Vlads for pushing broodmother, lycan, and ofc. ursa for rosh
MoM for the likes of riki, sven
Dominator maybe for Mortred since it gives her decent survivability.
But there are better options than these. When I see a Trax, DK, sniper etc. get lifesteal first I facepalm.
What about Troll Warlord for going to jungle with Wolf and/or Centaur aura? I used to do that; and Roshan is quite fast and easy with 1 of those auras :-P
Dooba
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Croatia588 Posts
December 05 2011 17:50 GMT
#837
It seems the game is registering a lot more games than i actually played. I think it's a bug or someone might've hacked my account? Which is highly unlikely seeing as it happens when i play. Also it has registered 2 abandoned games which i haven't abandoned either. Anyone know who i should go to with this? I can't find a mail or some sort of support forums.
"Zergs are really stronger. I use to win 60-70%, now it is 40-50. I am switching to civilization 5 for now until any terran can come up with a better tactics."
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
December 05 2011 19:30 GMT
#838
On December 06 2011 02:50 Dooba wrote:
It seems the game is registering a lot more games than i actually played. I think it's a bug or someone might've hacked my account? Which is highly unlikely seeing as it happens when i play. Also it has registered 2 abandoned games which i haven't abandoned either. Anyone know who i should go to with this? I can't find a mail or some sort of support forums.


This is a heavily reported issue. Often after you are done playing a game, it will register the game multiple times. I've heard of someone getting 6 losses for a game they won. I'm sure it will be patched soon, but if you want to comment on it go to dev.dota2.com and find the post about it.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 05 2011 19:42 GMT
#839
How does dotalicious interact with dota 2 ?
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
December 06 2011 03:56 GMT
#840
I come from a high masters Starcraft 2 and League of Legends background.

I hear a lot about how LoL is a "joke" compared to DotA etc etc people just seem like assholes.

However I am sure it is not completed unfounded. What are the major differences between LoL and DotA? I have never played WC3 or DotA, I have played RTS since Brood War and League since September. I am interested in playing DotA2 when it comes out, I am just interested in the differences between the two games.

From what I can tell DotA 2 is more difficult mechanically, and has a...different visual feel.
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