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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On April 22 2013 05:18 Doso wrote: Leave the lane to jungle/gank/tripple lane. Everything else takes too much coordination in a pub. I was the support, and I was laning with alchi. I dont think he would be to fond of soloing vs sylla. The other lanes didnt work to bad anyway, problem was that a farmed sylla just ripped our towers apart later on, and he was unkillable in teamfights. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Your carry has to be able to lasthit under tower. If he doesn't know how to do this, you should set up the lasthits for him (hit each of the creeps once). If you can lasthit under tower properly, every wave should be 3/4 or 4/4 of the creeps, depending on the damage range of your hero (some heroes are in that awkward damage range where if tower damage rolls low you have to hit it once, but if its high you might not have to). | ||
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BaBaUTZ
Germany146 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:05 TheYango wrote: You have to kill the bear if possible. This is a lot harder in duo lanes than trilanes. You won't be able to stop him from doing it at least a few times in a duo lane, though after several attempts, you should be able to kill at least one bear (though he'll probably just respawn it. Your carry has to be able to lasthit under tower. If he doesn't know how to do this, you should set up the lasthits for him (hit each of the creeps once). If you can lasthit under tower properly, every wave should be 3/4 or 4/4 of the creeps, depending on the damage range of your hero (some heroes are in that awkward damage range where if tower damage rolls low you have to hit it once, but if its high you might not have to). I tried that but it was just not possible. With a stout shield range attacks deal almost no damage. As you said he just resummoned it as soon it was down to low hp. Our damage was to low to kill it before the cooldown ended + because of the pulling you are fighting near his tower for a while so you cant really commit. He also deals way to much damage to most squishy supports to play aggressive. Lonedruid gets a lot of farm and even denies, since he fights creeps near his tower. Are there any heroes that can prevent pulling on their own? Because i am usually solo queueing. Do Creeps still follow and attack the bear if i nightmare him for example? | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On April 22 2013 04:58 aMMazzaNerDw0w wrote: TI2 replays are free to watch, as long as the client can still view them. Unfortunately valve deletes replays after a week now so finding replays of pros playing specific heroes is hard. Going into the client and just watching first page pub games is OK, you can filter for TMM games if you wish instead.yo guys can you suggest me some FREE replays of semi-pro levels to watch?? Because actually to watch tournament's replays you have to pay the ticket,and i haven't the money for. Edit in pubs vs syllable you can pick a hard counter like bane and just sleep the bear every time it tries to pull if you know he is doing it. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 22 2013 06:33 BaBaUTZ wrote: I tried that but it was just not possible. With a stout shield range attacks deal almost no damage. As you said he just resummoned it as soon it was down to low hp. Our damage was to low to kill it before the cooldown ended + because of the pulling you are fighting near his tower for a while so you cant really commit. He also deals way to much damage to most squishy supports to play aggressive. Lonedruid gets a lot of farm and even denies, since he fights creeps near his tower. Are there any heroes that can prevent pulling on their own? Because i am usually solo queueing. Do Creeps still follow and attack the bear if i nightmare him for example? Nightmare de-aggros the bear, yes. But you won't have the mana to do that more than twice. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
they're all equally likely then, right? This makes me wonder why teams pick CK over Sven. If you look at Sven, he consistently outputs more damage than CK and scales better too. Is it just because of reality rift and the potential for a longer stun? I assume so, since if you look at their damage/stun outputs: Damage-------Sven------------------------------CK-EV-------------------CK-min-------------------CK-max Level-1---------100--------------------------------100------------------------1----------------------------200 Level-2---------175--------------------------------137.5---------------------50---------------------------225 Level-3---------250--------------------------------162.5---------------------75---------------------------250 Level-4---------325--------------------------------187.5---------------------100-------------------------275 Stun------------Sven------------------------------CK-EV-------------------CK-min-------------------CK-max Level-1---------2-----------------------------------1.5------------------------1----------------------------2 Level-2---------2-----------------------------------2---------------------------1----------------------------3 Level-3---------2-----------------------------------2.5------------------------1----------------------------4 Level-4---------2-----------------------------------3---------------------------2----------------------------4 Sven will consistently output more damage than CK, and at level 3 and 4 stun he will always output more damage. CK will consistently output longer stuns at level 4, though. Combining reality rift with stun will output more damage than a Sven stun + warcry combo, so I assume the killing potential is higher for a CK at level 8 than it is for Sven at the same level. Perhaps this is why, but I can't help but note that Sven carries harder than CK into lategame, has more utility (for pushing in particular) in the midgame, and consistently outputs more damage. CK is at his core unpredictable. Maybe this is why the Chinese teams don't pick him. e: bleh the spaces don't appear -_- | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:41 wherebugsgo wrote: they're all equally likely then, right? This makes me wonder why teams pick CK over Sven. If you look at Sven, he consistently outputs more damage than CK and scales better too. Is it just because of reality rift and the potential for a longer stun? I assume so, since if you look at their damage/stun outputs: Damage-------Sven------------------------------CK-EV-------------------CK-min-------------------CK-max Level-1---------100--------------------------------100------------------------1----------------------------200 Level-2---------175--------------------------------137.5---------------------50---------------------------225 Level-3---------250--------------------------------162.5---------------------75---------------------------250 Level-4---------325--------------------------------187.5---------------------100-------------------------275 Stun------------Sven------------------------------CK-EV-------------------CK-min-------------------CK-max Level-1---------2-----------------------------------1.5------------------------1----------------------------2 Level-2---------2-----------------------------------2---------------------------1----------------------------3 Level-3---------2-----------------------------------2.5------------------------1----------------------------4 Level-4---------2-----------------------------------3---------------------------2----------------------------4 Sven will consistently output more damage than CK, and at level 3 and 4 stun he will always output more damage. CK will consistently output longer stuns at level 4, though. Combining reality rift with stun will output more damage than a Sven stun + warcry combo, so I assume the killing potential is higher for a CK at level 8 than it is for Sven at the same level. Perhaps this is why, but I can't help but note that Sven carries harder than CK into lategame, has more utility (for pushing in particular) in the midgame, and consistently outputs more damage. CK is at his core unpredictable. Maybe this is why the Chinese teams don't pick him. e: bleh the spaces don't appear -_- CK's reality rift is a gap closer,something that melees need. Proper teams can kite around the Sven preventing him from doing much damage, while CK's reality rift negates that. It also messes up the enemy positioning which is yet again, invaluable. Combined with Reality Rift's ability to gather all the images for a single attack, CK's ultimate is actually insanely strong even without items. So in a nutshell, I think CK's reality rift gives it the decisive edge over Sven. | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On April 22 2013 16:41 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't help but note that Sven carries harder than CK into lategame He doesn't. Sven farms faster, but a fat CK is insane lategame, though he is quite reliant on his ult. On April 22 2013 16:41 wherebugsgo wrote: CK is at his core unpredictable. Maybe this is why the Chinese teams don't pick him. He used to be a common pick in the Chinese scene, and he isn't as unpredictable as he may seem. Low level stun is quite random, but later on at worst you get 2 sec which is still pretty good, else you get 3-4 which is great. His ult rapes everything predictably. CK has higher kill potential in lane, he's much better at ganking, Reality Rift is a very strong spell and his ult destroys everything later. That said, they both are pretty decent and have their uses. Sven is very strong when combined with heroes like DS and Magnus. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
It's interesting though, since I'd expect Sven to see just as much attention given how popular both Magnus and DS are. Sven's utility with those heroes is pretty damn good. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
also ck carries harder than sven in most cases , it's just that sven farms so much faster tiny works better than sven with magnus/ds, though he does kick in a little bit later | ||
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iNViCiOUZ
Germany364 Posts
I read somewhere that when you go invis in the fountain and then tp in the lane you are still invisible. So I tried it yesterday with nyx assassin, and was revealed after the tp. What did I wrong? Doesn't that work? | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On April 22 2013 17:57 wherebugsgo wrote: I guess so. In early game that's probably CK's big advantage. It's interesting though, since I'd expect Sven to see just as much attention given how popular both Magnus and DS are. Sven's utility with those heroes is pretty damn good. Sven used to be quite popular for a while but has died down since. I assume people found ways to play around him/abuse his weaknesses, prefer other carries (such as PL, Naix, Gyro etc.) and some popular heroes are strong against him. He's still picked occasionally. It's not like CK is used much outside the Wisp CK combo though. Before that, it was AA CK. On April 22 2013 18:03 iNViCiOUZ wrote: Have a simple question : ) I read somewhere that when you go invis in the fountain and then tp in the lane you are still invisible. So I tried it yesterday with nyx assassin, and was revealed after the tp. What did I wrong? Doesn't that work? It works when you go invis while tping. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:03 iNViCiOUZ wrote: Have a simple question : ) I read somewhere that when you go invis in the fountain and then tp in the lane you are still invisible. So I tried it yesterday with nyx assassin, and was revealed after the tp. What did I wrong? Doesn't that work? You can't invis then tp. But you can invis while tping! | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:07 maru~ wrote: Sven used to be quite popular for a while but has died down since. I assume people found ways to play around him/abuse his weaknesses, prefer other carries (such as PL, Naix, Gyro etc.) and some popular heroes are strong against him. He's still picked occasionally. It's not like CK is used much outside the Wisp CK combo though. Before that, it was AA CK. It works when you go invis while tping. Sven is almost never picked anymore. If he's picked he's picked as a support. CK is picked all the time in EU. e: almost never as in compared to how much he was picked in 6.75, and in comparison to CK | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8902 Posts
On April 22 2013 18:37 Erasme wrote: You can't invis then tp. But you can invis while tping! wrong. you can invis while tping, you just have to tp DURING the fade time. | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
On April 22 2013 19:23 wherebugsgo wrote: Sven is almost never picked anymore. If he's picked he's picked as a support. CK is picked all the time in EU. e: almost never as in compared to how much he was picked in 6.75, and in comparison to CK I have seen carry Sven a few times lately, haven't seen support Sven in a while. CK is picked in conjunction with Wisp as I said, he's rarelly picked on his own though. Of course these are just my subjective impressions, I'm not watching as much Dota nowadays. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On April 22 2013 19:34 evilfatsh1t wrote: wrong. you can invis while tping, you just have to tp DURING the fade time. thats true. except you know, theres no fade time for nyx. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8902 Posts
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