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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
Also is battlefury a good item on Void if you're planning to farm a lot and take the game late? Or is Maelstrom sufficient for farm acceleration | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On April 15 2013 13:58 TheSubtleArt wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I always thought the decision of whether or not to build MoM on Faceless hinged on the enemy team's ability to damage you while you're in chrono. Also is battlefury a good item on Void if you're planning to farm a lot and take the game late? Or is Maelstrom sufficient for farm acceleration Battlefury is a fine choice on void if you can get it up reasonably fast Maelstrom is more of a fighting item | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8943 Posts
such a long build up and youre not particularly strong even with the midas. if i must go bfury i always get mom instead of midas. same price, but more killing power. actually i just go mom every game and decide whether i want a bfury or something else later, but midas is a big nono for me | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On April 14 2013 05:38 Lexia wrote: How should my team approach the other team, if their team composes of Warlock and Void? ( Me and a group of friends were playing a pub the other day, and we lost despite obtaining a considerable lead during the early and mid-game stages, our heroes were batrider, OD, sven, WR and rubick, against Warlock, Void, Omni, Pudge, and Weaver) I'm sorry if the details are insufficient, I just want a general idea of how we could've approached the matter. Gank them and force small skirmishes around the map. Their teamfight is better, but highly dependant on the big cooldown ultis of Warlock Omni and Void. They have no spammable, short cooldown disables (pudge is inconsistent at best), while you have Sven, WR and Rubick. Play a split push / ganking style that leads to more small skirmishes and less 5 on 5s. Your Rubick should also have an amazing time with all the spells he has to steal. You should also win the lanes pretty hard as Void, Omniknight and Pudge are all pretty mediocre in lane. OD and Batrider both excel in lane. Sven, rubick and WR is an incredibly strong tri lane relative to anything their team composition can put together. I would have just aggressive tri laned to completely shut down the Void. I can't really see any way for them to not lose vs that kind of a lane with the heroes they have | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 15 2013 14:14 evilfatsh1t wrote: man i hate midas -> bfury builds on void such a long build up and youre not particularly strong even with the midas. if i must go bfury i always get mom instead of midas. same price, but more killing power. actually i just go mom every game and decide whether i want a bfury or something else later, but midas is a big nono for me If you're going to get the Battlefury, get it straight-up. MoM->Crit or Mael is essentially looking for an earlier teamfight timing, because your combat stats come together faster. Mael is popular in DotA 2 over Crit because you couldn't stack Mael with Crit in DotA 1--Mael farms faster, but Crit still has more up-front damage, At the point where you have MoM + Crit or Mael + BKB, you can go to fights because you have survivability, damage, and attack speed. Battle Fury builds are essentially aimed at a teamfight timing at your THIRD major item (usually BFury + BKB + Bfly). You take longer to get your combination of attack speed, damage, and survivability, but the items are bigger and Battle Fury farms faster. If you're getting a MoM and THEN a Battle Fury, you're not really taking advantage of either build. The MoM delays your Battle Fury so you don't really farm faster, it's slot-inefficient when Battle Fury lets you farm out big items, and you don't take advantage of the early fighting/solo killing ability of the MoM when Battle Fury is a poor item for that. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
Thanks for the answers. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8943 Posts
On April 15 2013 16:26 TheYango wrote: If you're going to get the Battlefury, get it straight-up. MoM->Crit or Mael is essentially looking for an earlier teamfight timing, because your combat stats come together faster. Mael is popular in DotA 2 over Crit because you couldn't stack Mael with Crit in DotA 1--Mael farms faster, but Crit still has more up-front damage, At the point where you have MoM + Crit or Mael + BKB, you can go to fights because you have survivability, damage, and attack speed. Battle Fury builds are essentially aimed at a teamfight timing at your THIRD major item (usually BFury + BKB + Bfly). You take longer to get your combination of attack speed, damage, and survivability, but the items are bigger and Battle Fury farms faster. If you're getting a MoM and THEN a Battle Fury, you're not really taking advantage of either build. The MoM delays your Battle Fury so you don't really farm faster, it's slot-inefficient when Battle Fury lets you farm out big items, and you don't take advantage of the early fighting/solo killing ability of the MoM when Battle Fury is a poor item for that. i was comparing mom->bfury to midas->bfury (which btw, is a very popular build) and mom->bfury isnt necessarily bad. as i said, i dont like to go this build much, but it dishes out respectable dmg early simply because you have the aspd to back up the raw dmg from battlefury. its not optimal, but definitely not sub-par either. and its a better item build than midas->bfury imo. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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Yurie
12185 Posts
On February 25 2013 16:30 BurningSera wrote: try this, some game i played yesterday, 135109648. Is regarding the 2/3 times of respawning neutrals while you pull, i call it 'auto pulling'. It is harder when you have the range satyr otherwise it just take some practice (and luck). I recalled this thread when I noticed it in a game. 173344928 at 2:46 or something KotL pulls, the creeps stays just outside the spawn box and a triple spawn is created. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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Cyx.
Canada806 Posts
On April 16 2013 05:04 Whole wrote: I've been trying out Meepo when appropriate. I get PMS, then Power Treads. I went Mek -> Aghs after that a few games, but I read that you should just go straight Aghs. Should I? And when should I get Blink Dagger (if appropriate)? Before or after Aghs? It seems like before would allow better ganking, but make your Meepos way too weak for way too long. I usually like to go mek -> blink -> aghs when I'm playing Meepo in pubs, since you can get your mek and blink up REALLY fast with Meepo (think 16-17 minutes) and be a really effective ganker as well as still having insane farm and getting your aghs by around 20-22 mins. With just mek and blink you have more than enough HP to deal with whatever gets thrown at you at that level as well as insane burst. That being said, if you're playing with friends or you just feel like it's a better option, letting someone else get the mek and rushing a straight aghanim's followed by blink is really good too. The fastest aghs possible increases your farming speed and if you're rushing it followed by blink you still have your blink at a decent timing to do a fair bit of ganking in the midgame - aghs is kind of a farming item on Meepo (though it gives you a lot more than that) so getting it really early is pretty good. For a little more indepth discussion of Meepo builds and etc. you can check my guide here, or feel free to toss me a PM if you want to, he's one of my favourite heroes by a long long ways =) | ||
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MSGHero
United States147 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
vanguard -> manta is probably the best non-bfury build but it's still not that good mom/maelstrom first void isn't that good either; it's decent but bfury first accelerates your farm a lot | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
When you enfeeble CK pre split, do his illusions carry over the -damage or are they not affected by enfeeble? I'm pretty sure that they don't because illusions only carry over stats (right?) not +damage. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On April 16 2013 08:36 LeLoup wrote: Not 100% sure about the interaction on this, so figured I'd ask for sure here. When you enfeeble CK pre split, do his illusions carry over the -damage or are they not affected by enfeeble? I'm pretty sure that they don't because illusions only carry over stats (right?) not +damage. Just like using Manta, Phantasm will dispel the enfeeble so none of them will have it. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
On April 16 2013 08:14 MSGHero wrote: Are there any other builds to AM besides battlefury? I don't mean buildup like a midas or vanguard, but like a completely different item. Like how void can go mom or maelstrom instead of a bfury to be useful earlier on in fights. am kinda needs bf to flash farm and get big. i mean you can fight somewhat but that kinda not what hes meant to do. | ||
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