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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 19 2012 09:36 GMT
#3801
When Skeleton King was alive, he definitely had the manliest beard ever.

Just look at his face--he's got those two huge bones on the side of his face where his beard would have been.
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
September 19 2012 09:44 GMT
#3802
Also fuck all that, Centaur khan is the manliest. He will keep fighting you when on 200 hp and you are on 600 and still kill you and stay exactly on 1 hp. Did that, killed those
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 10:39:56
September 19 2012 10:38 GMT
#3803
On September 19 2012 18:12 Shikyo wrote:
Dumb reason, Phantom Lancer has a beard too. As does Sniper. And Disruptor. And Storm. And Beastmaster. And Spirit Breaker. And... You're also discriminating against Skeleton King just because he's bald.

It's not a dumb reason, Axe is the king of beards.

But of course, Sven is super manly too.

+ Show Spoiler +
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Sven, baller king and king of beards share a #1 for me.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Aldehyde
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden939 Posts
September 19 2012 14:34 GMT
#3804
So, as not to derail the original thread any further, why is it a big deal saying champion instead of hero? I've never really played LoL and do not like the little I've played/seen/heard of it and I've always said hero myself but I really don't understand why people hate on the use of champion over hero. They mean basically the same thing.

For reference:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369794&currentpage=2#25
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 14:39:31
September 19 2012 14:36 GMT
#3805
On September 19 2012 23:34 Aldehyde wrote:
So, as not to derail the original thread any further, why is it a big deal saying champion instead of hero? I've never really played LoL and do not like the little I've played/seen/heard of it and I've always said hero myself but I really don't understand why people hate on the use of champion over hero. They mean basically the same thing.

For reference:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369794&currentpage=2#25

Just random, win a game and say "Wow, this champion is really easy".

The tears. The... JOY.


Basically it's people being overly sensitive most of the time. No one in League cares if you call a champion "hero" either. However, doing as the Romans do in Rome isn't exactly a bad idea either. It's kind of similar to OMG DOTA IS NO MOBA IT'S AN ARTS - then suddenly Valve uses the word "MOBA" in one of their press releases concerning DotA 2. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
September 19 2012 14:42 GMT
#3806
On September 19 2012 23:36 r.Evo wrote:

Just random, win a game and say "Wow, this champion is really easy".

The tears. The... JOY.



Thank you very much, I was almost out of things to say when the enemy is really mad, I am in your debt sir.
Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
September 19 2012 15:04 GMT
#3807
Are phase boots or treads typically better on brewmaster?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
September 19 2012 15:11 GMT
#3808
On September 20 2012 00:04 Ingenol wrote:
Are phase boots or treads typically better on brewmaster?

Generally people go either phase or arcanes, I never really see treads.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 19 2012 15:11 GMT
#3809
On September 20 2012 00:04 Ingenol wrote:
Are phase boots or treads typically better on brewmaster?

Phases are more common than Treads but Arcanes are more common than either recently.
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Avaryroro
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands10 Posts
September 19 2012 18:42 GMT
#3810
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?
infam
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany66 Posts
September 19 2012 18:53 GMT
#3811
Go play with humans and stop wasting your time with bots. If you learn all the basics from bots you still start at the bottom of MM with teammates that dont know them. It will only make you rage.
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
September 19 2012 18:57 GMT
#3812
On September 20 2012 03:42 Avaryroro wrote:
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?


Better to have fun, this is a game, jump online and play just be warned ur gonna loose alot at the beginning.
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 19 2012 19:01 GMT
#3813
Yea, go play online and random every game for 200 games.
That will get you into DotA, it will be a rough start, but once you're into it, it will be an amazing thing from there on out.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
September 19 2012 19:04 GMT
#3814
On September 20 2012 03:42 Avaryroro wrote:
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?


Definitely stick to coop vs bots first, despite the chance of learning quicker when doing matchmaking. You'd ruin the game for others if you don't know what you're doing, and when fighting the AI you're free to analyse and observe the game without the stress matchmaking would normally give to a new player.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 19 2012 19:04 GMT
#3815
On September 20 2012 03:42 Avaryroro wrote:
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?

Once you learn the basics, then go play with real humans. However, be prepared to deal with the dumbest teammates ever, because some humans are dumber than bots.

Your time spent playing bots is not useless though. It's very important to learn what every single hero does, and you never get good training when playing in human games.
=Þ
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-19 19:49:47
September 19 2012 19:49 GMT
#3816
On September 20 2012 04:04 EtherealBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 03:42 Avaryroro wrote:
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?


Definitely stick to coop vs bots first, despite the chance of learning quicker when doing matchmaking. You'd ruin the game for others if you don't know what you're doing, and when fighting the AI you're free to analyse and observe the game without the stress matchmaking would normally give to a new player.

What? How would he ruin games for others? He will be against people at his skill-level, and if not then he will be adjusted to be at that.
I think this is a really stupid reason for people to not play against humans, his first games will always be bad since bots teach you bad habits if you only play against them.

He might as well go Q up.

@Above, how does he not learn more from playing against humans than playing against bots? Sorry but i'm not following this logic.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
September 19 2012 22:52 GMT
#3817
On September 20 2012 04:49 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 04:04 EtherealBlade wrote:
On September 20 2012 03:42 Avaryroro wrote:
So i only recently got into DotA, and im now looking to learn the game. I've been hesitant to play versus people because of my awful level and am mostly playing against bots to understand heroes, items, positioning etc. My question is, how much can the bots actually teach me? I feel that usually i can out-farm them but that only really happens in the later stages of the game. Because the games take +30 mins and they all feel the same as the last im wondering if this is the best way to learn DotA. Yes it teaches me new heroes but its not very exciting to only go up against fake opponents. Am i better off practicing against humans or should i work on my skill more first?


Definitely stick to coop vs bots first, despite the chance of learning quicker when doing matchmaking. You'd ruin the game for others if you don't know what you're doing, and when fighting the AI you're free to analyse and observe the game without the stress matchmaking would normally give to a new player.

What? How would he ruin games for others? He will be against people at his skill-level, and if not then he will be adjusted to be at that.
I think this is a really stupid reason for people to not play against humans, his first games will always be bad since bots teach you bad habits if you only play against them.

He might as well go Q up.

@Above, how does he not learn more from playing against humans than playing against bots? Sorry but i'm not following this logic.

You encounter a more diverse array of heroes when playing against bots. Low level human games tend to see a ton of PA, FV, Sniper... you won't see a half decent Enchantress (which the bots might be capable of, not sure how good bots are though), basically you won't see a lot of heroes, or you see heroes played in a crappy way (nuker Chen, carry CM). This might be my biased viewpoint when I was trying to get out of the "normal" bracket that I started in, but I felt that learning hero roles was bad... really bad.
=Þ
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
September 19 2012 23:39 GMT
#3818
Why do people say that DOTA is an RTS where LoL/HoN are MOBAs?
I reject your reality and substitute my own
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-20 01:02:00
September 20 2012 01:01 GMT
#3819
On September 20 2012 08:39 valheru wrote:
Why do people say that DOTA is an RTS where LoL/HoN are MOBAs?

Because people are denying the fact that Valve themselves calls DotA 2 a MOBA - the word simply won over the others in terms of being the most accepted over the entire genre. The "old guard" still associates the word exclusively with League of Legends. Since League of Legends is also associated with "bad" those guys hate using the same word for DotA 2.


He then goes one further, pointing out that despite the fact that a number of different studios are working on "Moba-Like" games, it's possible that none of them will outdo the original. That, Smith says, is perhaps the most dispiriting thing of all:

As you read these words, a dozen professional studios around the world are racing to emulate Dota's success. What's going to be truly depressing is if of all the contenders in the brand-new moba genre, Valve's curator-like porting of Dota 2 into the Source engine remains the most popular one. Not only could our games industry not have had this idea, they can't even improve on it.

Valve’s New Project Is A Dota Doc, A MOBA Movie

The tournament is for DOTA 2, Valve's upcoming MOBA-style game.

Valve's second sponsored Dota 2 Tournament - portentously titled 'The International' - begins August 31st at gaming show PAX Prime, taking place in Seattle. It runs until September 2nd, and will see some of the biggest and best MOBA teams in the world compete: Evil Geniuses, Orange eSports, Counter Logic Gaming and LGD.



All quotes from official Valve news. Returned results when searching for "ARTS": Zero. Returned results when searching for "RTS", one:
But unlike Minecraft and Day Z, Dota's design could never have surfaced from a commercial games development studio. Mostly, game development studios adhere to genre conventions, and we consider ourselves lucky when they work with no care for genre at all. But what they categorically do not do is go against people's instincts. Nobody's going to make a multiplayer game with one map, that takes an hour to play, that looks like an RTS but will fuck you if you try and play it like one.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 20 2012 01:11 GMT
#3820
Um, MOBA was also a term created by a pedophile who did massive amounts of damage to all communities he was involved in. It's not just because it's associated with LoL
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