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Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
May 17 2012 11:12 GMT
#2561
Rather stupid question, but what does CM and CS mean?

Also, is there any way to buy items in the shop using ONLY your keyboard? Just like in counterstrike? It feels rather silly to have to click with your mouse :/
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 17 2012 11:58 GMT
#2562
captains mode or crystal maiden
creep score aka creep kills
yes there is but i hate using the shop hotkeys because if you try to select a control group you'll buy random stuff
try using quick buy and maybe quick buy button, it's generally good enough
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
May 17 2012 13:22 GMT
#2563
On May 16 2012 05:54 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:51 Slardar wrote:
On May 15 2012 23:32 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I usually get butterfly because of its evasion, damage bonus etc etc. I have this thinking that butterfly evasion can significantly help me survive. however, there's also the train of thought that you can also significantly survive if you kill them faster (with buriza) >_>

I get that MKB is situational with the true strike and mini stun. How about your personal preferences, which heroes would you pick a Butterfly over a buriza (or vice-versa). Or which situations?


Butterfly for the hardcore agility carries. Anti-Mage, Void (+more bash with AS) etc.
Buriza for one hit wonder heroes, like Admiral really. Admiral isn't even a carry but he's the only viable buriza carrier in a pubstomp game. For everything else, another item does the job better. (Armlet, BKB, Deso, etc) Buriza is down the road.. like your 3rd or 4th item for most str carries.

Not much situations for Bfly vs Buriza, one is for agility heroes, the other is for strength.

In my opinion (which isn't good, admittedly), buriza makes less sense with heroes that have low attack speed - generally you want it on heroes that have high attack speed and high base damage (that's why you tend to see crti on drow - her ulti gives her naturally high base attack damage with high attack speed). The reason kunkka often gets buriza is more for the lolzy chance to get a perfect crit splash on 5 heroes and he is relatively reliant on this to do damage (and thus is taking a large chance to be effective). If I get Buriza, it's usually the third or fourth lategame item after I already have other important items.

Or long story short, other items before buriza.


Yeah, Manta is usually the first choice for dps and Desolator is just too good. I cry when pros go MKB and Buriza with no orb effect in a pusher meta.
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
May 17 2012 13:34 GMT
#2564
Deso buriza manta combination is the best dps combo for mirana unless there's evasion on the field. The same goes for sniper.
People is diying.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 13:45:59
May 17 2012 13:43 GMT
#2565
"pusher meta" = early/midgame pushes, not fully farmed carry pushes; at that point carries will melt towers regardless of items and it's much more important that they melt heroes

and who cares about minor changes in dps deso eats your orb and mkb gives you ministuns + true strike
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#2566
One thing about MKB on ranged heroes is that it lets you attack uphill without penalty. It helps a lot when trying to take t3s.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34504 Posts
May 18 2012 00:07 GMT
#2567
On May 17 2012 15:58 LAN-f34r wrote:
Its something similar to http://divinecourage.dy.fi/

Also, how they found venge's recommended items.

AA has skadi as one of his recommended items. Although I can see where they're coming from, that still gives a really bad idea to new players :/
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taldarimAltar
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
973 Posts
May 18 2012 09:51 GMT
#2568
Why don't pros get quelling blade? I've seen a few matches they never got one. Maybe when laning against other melee heroes they do? But even against range, if they aren't harassed it's pretty hard to deny
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 18 2012 10:05 GMT
#2569
melee heroes generally have more base damage and/or a much better attack animation than range heroes, so missing lasthits is more an issue of lane control than lasthit damage, and shield (or occasionally PMS) helps out a lot more in that regard

you might see it picked up occasionally after bfury on heroes like am or jugg to speed up their farming rates a bit, and it's also pretty common on lycan to speed up his jungle
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 18 2012 10:07 GMT
#2570
QB helps you last hit, but most pros already last so good it's not worth it. Never start with it unless you jungle, it's in side shop and is ultra cheap if you really have problems with last hit.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12126 Posts
May 18 2012 10:29 GMT
#2571
Back to MKB, true strike is great on ranged carries like sniper if you are pushing base. He has longer range than the tower and suddenly no miss chance. Forces opponents to get down from their height. We played a push strat with sniper that worked pretty well due to the dmg output of mkb from low ground.
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 11:26:16
May 18 2012 11:25 GMT
#2572
On May 18 2012 19:29 Yurie wrote:
Back to MKB, true strike is great on ranged carries like sniper if you are pushing base. He has longer range than the tower and suddenly no miss chance. Forces opponents to get down from their height. We played a push strat with sniper that worked pretty well due to the dmg output of mkb from low ground.


Except you know, there is that problem of....not dying until you can get MKB. Which is rather difficult if you're rushing that with no defensive items, and if you do get defensive items first then you're giving more time to get fucked up.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 18 2012 14:07 GMT
#2573
On May 18 2012 20:25 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 19:29 Yurie wrote:
Back to MKB, true strike is great on ranged carries like sniper if you are pushing base. He has longer range than the tower and suddenly no miss chance. Forces opponents to get down from their height. We played a push strat with sniper that worked pretty well due to the dmg output of mkb from low ground.


Except you know, there is that problem of....not dying until you can get MKB. Which is rather difficult if you're rushing that with no defensive items, and if you do get defensive items first then you're giving more time to get fucked up.

Solution: Don't play sniper.
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The Great Taste
Profile Joined January 2012
389 Posts
May 18 2012 15:16 GMT
#2574
On May 18 2012 20:25 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 19:29 Yurie wrote:
Back to MKB, true strike is great on ranged carries like sniper if you are pushing base. He has longer range than the tower and suddenly no miss chance. Forces opponents to get down from their height. We played a push strat with sniper that worked pretty well due to the dmg output of mkb from low ground.


Except you know, there is that problem of....not dying until you can get MKB. Which is rather difficult if you're rushing that with no defensive items, and if you do get defensive items first then you're giving more time to get fucked up.


I could claim that as a problem for any hard carry with no escape mechanism.... In fact, almost any hero without an escape mechanism. Sniper isn't actually that easy to jump provided you have good warding because Take Aim allows him to stand very far away from the creeps, so at around level 3 it becomes very hard to jump him in lane or even harass and we aren't even taking into account any support that is in the lane for him yet.

Manta Style is usually gotten first on Sniper before any other damage item anyway (unless you are from the Phase/MoM school of sniper). It gives good damage, stats and movespeed.
VoO
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany278 Posts
May 18 2012 18:27 GMT
#2575
Is there a channel like dota-allstars in WC3 where more "advanced" players can met? I really start to hate public.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 18 2012 21:17 GMT
#2576
On May 19 2012 00:16 The Great Taste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 20:25 Candadar wrote:
On May 18 2012 19:29 Yurie wrote:
Back to MKB, true strike is great on ranged carries like sniper if you are pushing base. He has longer range than the tower and suddenly no miss chance. Forces opponents to get down from their height. We played a push strat with sniper that worked pretty well due to the dmg output of mkb from low ground.


Except you know, there is that problem of....not dying until you can get MKB. Which is rather difficult if you're rushing that with no defensive items, and if you do get defensive items first then you're giving more time to get fucked up.


I could claim that as a problem for any hard carry with no escape mechanism.... In fact, almost any hero without an escape mechanism. Sniper isn't actually that easy to jump provided you have good warding because Take Aim allows him to stand very far away from the creeps, so at around level 3 it becomes very hard to jump him in lane or even harass and we aren't even taking into account any support that is in the lane for him yet.

Manta Style is usually gotten first on Sniper before any other damage item anyway (unless you are from the Phase/MoM school of sniper). It gives good damage, stats and movespeed.

And that's why carrys who only tend to be useful in the lategame are rarely drafted - its simply too hard for them to farm without constantly being ganked.
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TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
May 18 2012 21:29 GMT
#2577
Sniper is going to make a return to being a very regular pick. He is underrated and super strong.
if you can believe you can concieve
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 19 2012 00:40 GMT
#2578
He suffers from shadow fiend syndrome. He can be really freaking strong, but smoke up and free kills will ensue. You can have safer hard carries like morph and void who scale just as well (probably better) but have much better survivability.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Rickeh TT
Profile Joined April 2012
13 Posts
May 20 2012 10:30 GMT
#2579
Should auto attack be on or off? What are the pro's and con's of autoattack on/off?
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 20 2012 10:38 GMT
#2580
it doesn't matter but it used to before hold position stopped you from moving
now it doesn't really matter whatever you prefer
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