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paschl
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany666 Posts
May 14 2012 15:04 GMT
#2541
yep, items work too.
but when you vortex first you lose the first attack+overload damage.
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
May 14 2012 17:20 GMT
#2542
On May 14 2012 23:10 paschl wrote:
Yep i tried it and the aoe isnt actually that small.
What im wondering is the initiation. Everybody says you should roll, attack, vortex, attack, remnant, attack etc.
But sometimes when you roll in and attack they have time to get off their stun first, or have a little time to run away.
Im not entirely convinced i shouldnt just roll and go straight for the vortex.


Its hard, but you can actually attack during roll, but if you want to ensure you get vortex off (against a blinker its the safest thing to do), then you can cast that while you are rolling, what I usually do is roll, select vortex, and once im in range click enemy hero. But theoretically its possible to get the attack off before vortex, almost as fast.
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-14 20:30:36
May 14 2012 20:21 GMT
#2543
Does mjolnir trigger during omnislash's extra attacks?

In dota1 I'm positive that it did because it was core for my funbuild (battefury stacking + mjolnir + aghanim = one dead team). I haven't seen it trigger in dota2 yet.

Perhaps I'm wrong.
People is diying.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
May 14 2012 21:10 GMT
#2544
yes it does trigger
the animation in dota 2 sux you can barely see the lightning

initiating on storm is situational, if you're up against a hero with no disables (or no mana or everything on cd) you can blink, attack (in midair), remnant, attack, pull, attack, remnant, then chase with ult+autoattacks+remnants for maximum damage

most of the time you can get a remnant off before you pull, but it really depends. if you're trying to gank a hero with an escape you generally need to pull while in midair, and if you're going for a disabler it's often a good idea to pull in midair, but sometimes you can get off a remnant before you pull. against certain heroes you can sneak in a little more, for example against bs or ultless es you have plenty of time since their cast animations are so awful
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
May 14 2012 22:22 GMT
#2545
true dat. The lightning is SHIT.
People is diying.
HerbMac
Profile Joined April 2012
Wales19 Posts
May 15 2012 12:39 GMT
#2546
Newb here.

Are there any sort of last-hit benchmarks I should be hitting? I'm playing venomancer atm.

Is it a bad idea to rely on autobuy? Since I'm not comfortable choosing between items on the fly, am I f**king myself over in the long run if I don't learn to use the shop now?
ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-15 13:49:46
May 15 2012 13:45 GMT
#2547
My personal benchmark for last hits/denies as carry is 60 cs every ten minutes (totally doable) and between 10 and 20 denies. If you can land some kills you are set for the mid game. If the enemy actually knows how to play very well 50cs is ok as long as you land kills.

I still clickbuy after 6 years of playing the game hahaha.
People is diying.
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
May 15 2012 14:00 GMT
#2548
When are you guys most comfortable with buriza?

I usually only get buriza on Heroes that rely on cleave (Sven, Magnus, Admiral, mortred since I always play her with a battle fury) but honestly, I really don't know when to get it. For most agi carries I play, I would get other stuff like Butterfly or MKB to get more than just pure damage. When should I get it over Butterfly/MKB?

Just curious, I feel like I'm overlooking this item really bad =\

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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 15 2012 14:19 GMT
#2549
On May 15 2012 23:00 myrmidon2537 wrote:
When are you guys most comfortable with buriza?

I usually only get buriza on Heroes that rely on cleave (Sven, Magnus, Admiral, mortred since I always play her with a battle fury) but honestly, I really don't know when to get it. For most agi carries I play, I would get other stuff like Butterfly or MKB to get more than just pure damage. When should I get it over Butterfly/MKB?

Just curious, I feel like I'm overlooking this item really bad =\


unless you need true strike (butterfly, wr, panda...) or mini stuns (need to interupt chanelling spells) buriza is better
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
May 15 2012 14:32 GMT
#2550
I usually get butterfly because of its evasion, damage bonus etc etc. I have this thinking that butterfly evasion can significantly help me survive. however, there's also the train of thought that you can also significantly survive if you kill them faster (with buriza) >_>

I get that MKB is situational with the true strike and mini stun. How about your personal preferences, which heroes would you pick a Butterfly over a buriza (or vice-versa). Or which situations?
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
May 15 2012 14:49 GMT
#2551
Buriza is generally good if you have high attack speed as it gives very good damage but no AS and ,well, you proc crit more often. MKB is picked if you need to break channeling spells and can't do it otherwise and when the enemy has any evasion(Windrunner gets really f'ed by MKB). Also kunkka no matter what, nothing like a 1k to all team from creep hit. Otherwise I'd go for Bfly or hot, depending whether the problem is the damage or hp (teamwise)
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
May 15 2012 14:51 GMT
#2552
On May 15 2012 23:32 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I usually get butterfly because of its evasion, damage bonus etc etc. I have this thinking that butterfly evasion can significantly help me survive. however, there's also the train of thought that you can also significantly survive if you kill them faster (with buriza) >_>

I get that MKB is situational with the true strike and mini stun. How about your personal preferences, which heroes would you pick a Butterfly over a buriza (or vice-versa). Or which situations?


Butterfly for the hardcore agility carries. Anti-Mage, Void (+more bash with AS) etc.
Buriza for one hit wonder heroes, like Admiral really. Admiral isn't even a carry but he's the only viable buriza carrier in a pubstomp game. For everything else, another item does the job better. (Armlet, BKB, Deso, etc) Buriza is down the road.. like your 3rd or 4th item for most str carries.

Not much situations for Bfly vs Buriza, one is for agility heroes, the other is for strength.
myrmidon2537
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Philippines2188 Posts
May 15 2012 14:52 GMT
#2553
Thanks for those answers I'll be sure to try it on my next game and see how it goes
IPT.PromilKid: I'm only good at Marvel
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
May 15 2012 20:54 GMT
#2554
On May 15 2012 23:51 Slardar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2012 23:32 myrmidon2537 wrote:
I usually get butterfly because of its evasion, damage bonus etc etc. I have this thinking that butterfly evasion can significantly help me survive. however, there's also the train of thought that you can also significantly survive if you kill them faster (with buriza) >_>

I get that MKB is situational with the true strike and mini stun. How about your personal preferences, which heroes would you pick a Butterfly over a buriza (or vice-versa). Or which situations?


Butterfly for the hardcore agility carries. Anti-Mage, Void (+more bash with AS) etc.
Buriza for one hit wonder heroes, like Admiral really. Admiral isn't even a carry but he's the only viable buriza carrier in a pubstomp game. For everything else, another item does the job better. (Armlet, BKB, Deso, etc) Buriza is down the road.. like your 3rd or 4th item for most str carries.

Not much situations for Bfly vs Buriza, one is for agility heroes, the other is for strength.

In my opinion (which isn't good, admittedly), buriza makes less sense with heroes that have low attack speed - generally you want it on heroes that have high attack speed and high base damage (that's why you tend to see crti on drow - her ulti gives her naturally high base attack damage with high attack speed). The reason kunkka often gets buriza is more for the lolzy chance to get a perfect crit splash on 5 heroes and he is relatively reliant on this to do damage (and thus is taking a large chance to be effective). If I get Buriza, it's usually the third or fourth lategame item after I already have other important items.

Or long story short, other items before buriza.
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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
May 16 2012 07:20 GMT
#2555
Do we get matched against nice people if we get high commend?
I hate all this singing
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 16 2012 07:34 GMT
#2556
On May 16 2012 16:20 brachester wrote:
Do we get matched against nice people if we get high commend?


I imagine if any system were in place you would get matched against players with high commend.
Never make a hydralisk.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 16 2012 10:29 GMT
#2557
But that would be the stupidest system, considering how many people trade commends.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-16 10:48:59
May 16 2012 10:47 GMT
#2558
On May 16 2012 16:34 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2012 16:20 brachester wrote:
Do we get matched against nice people if we get high commend?


I imagine if any system were in place you would get matched against players with high commend.

Perhaps they match nice people with high commend with people with low commend to get them to rehabilitate the trolls and flamers.

- "wtf didn't you save me when I suicided into 5 ppl?"
- "Let's sing Kumbaya!"
- "F UUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!"
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Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 04:33 GMT
#2559
Has Valve released their plans for future heroes to be released in DotA 2 anywhere?
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LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 17 2012 06:58 GMT
#2560
Its something similar to http://divinecourage.dy.fi/

Also, how they found venge's recommended items.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
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