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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-19 19:15:44
May 19 2016 19:11 GMT
#23841
My thought on it is you typically want like 2-3 heroes you can play that don't overlap in counters. So if you're worried about being shut down as Alchemist by AA also learn someone like Zeus rather than someone else like DK that can also struggle vs AA. There are probably better examples, especially for mid and regarding lopsided mid match-ups, but you get the idea.

That way you can play Zeus when they pick AA, Alchemist when they pick Huskar, and whichever one seems to fit your team better all the other times.

Even then if you're partially countered, or sometimes even fully countered like when people try to pick Legion Commander vs Broodmother or Slardar/BH/Zeus vs BH/Riki/Clinkz it doesn't really matter that much if you just outplay your opponents.
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 19 2016 19:30 GMT
#23842
On May 20 2016 03:29 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 02:34 Velzi wrote:
On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there.


Can you elaborate?

Ehm?

Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing.

f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better.

Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer?


This is embarassing. I need to use one of my other accounts to hide my shame. Ive always loved the anonymity of dota because i dont have anything to brag about for sure, so this is a weird feeling lol.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/47673032/matches

Also, the mmr listed is wrong. Im at like 1522 right now (god help me).



Some points a gathered from ur profile:
Your strongest heroes seem to be long range heroes with relatively high kill potential early on and strong laning like Gyro Drow Luna and Troll for cores and Lion Lich CM for supports. You are not doing particularly well with melee cores apart from Slark and classic mid heroes are not working for you that well either. Some jungle heroes like Lycan and Enigma seem to work pretty good for u too, try to abuse that if your team comp allows that.

Also, and this is important, always carry TP, thats number one item u have to work on. If u check anyone else profile, you most likely see TP as their most used item in the game. For you TP is like 30th most used.

I'm not trying to be rude by saying you are not doing good with this and that, im just pointing facts i see and trying to direct you to things you are good at.
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 19 2016 19:57 GMT
#23843
the most important thing i gathered from your profile was your name. it strikes me as "tilt-worthy" in the sense that i've only really seen names like that on people that get upset very easily in the middle of a game over silly things.

if you're stuck, you may want to check into your attitude and see if staying positive produces some results.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
May 19 2016 20:35 GMT
#23844
On May 20 2016 04:30 Velzi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 03:29 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On May 20 2016 02:34 Velzi wrote:
On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:
On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there.


Can you elaborate?

Ehm?

Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing.

f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better.

Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer?


This is embarassing. I need to use one of my other accounts to hide my shame. Ive always loved the anonymity of dota because i dont have anything to brag about for sure, so this is a weird feeling lol.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/47673032/matches

Also, the mmr listed is wrong. Im at like 1522 right now (god help me).



Some points a gathered from ur profile:
Your strongest heroes seem to be long range heroes with relatively high kill potential early on and strong laning like Gyro Drow Luna and Troll for cores and Lion Lich CM for supports. You are not doing particularly well with melee cores apart from Slark and classic mid heroes are not working for you that well either. Some jungle heroes like Lycan and Enigma seem to work pretty good for u too, try to abuse that if your team comp allows that.

Also, and this is important, always carry TP, thats number one item u have to work on. If u check anyone else profile, you most likely see TP as their most used item in the game. For you TP is like 30th most used.

I'm not trying to be rude by saying you are not doing good with this and that, im just pointing facts i see and trying to direct you to things you are good at.


Every bit of what you said is fantastic and I take no offense. I wouldn't have brought it up if I didn't expect to get hammered by people for my shit play. Thanks a lot!
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
May 19 2016 20:40 GMT
#23845
On May 20 2016 04:57 BluemoonSC wrote:
the most important thing i gathered from your profile was your name. it strikes me as "tilt-worthy" in the sense that i've only really seen names like that on people that get upset very easily in the middle of a game over silly things.

if you're stuck, you may want to check into your attitude and see if staying positive produces some results.


I just thought the name was funny, and accurate. Kinda like how in every free to play game you're going to encounter brazilians and their BR? BR? BR? spam. A fact of life kind of thing. And I don't generally get upset while playing dota anymore. I treat it more as a game now than ever before, but I certainly would like to improve.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
May 19 2016 21:47 GMT
#23846
Just blindpicked Drow and crushed it. Maybe I need to stop trying to be a jack of all trades and just play a couple heroes like a few folks have said. Hmmmmm
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
May 20 2016 04:25 GMT
#23847
there are no 'counters' in dota. i dont know why people keep thinking there are counters for certain heroes. there might be in lol, where the laning phase weighs for like 80% of how the game is played out afterwards, but in dota the laning phase is just the laning phase. team compositions and decision making have much more impactful effects on the game than "we have their counter so we win".
just focus on playing better instead of focusing on cheap wins and youll learn to outplay people even if you are disadvantaged
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 20 2016 05:53 GMT
#23848
are you seriously going to argue that ancient apparition does not counter alchemist in any way shape or form
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 20 2016 06:14 GMT
#23849
yes, if the AA doesnt get/hit his ulti :>
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
May 20 2016 08:15 GMT
#23850
On May 20 2016 14:53 BluemoonSC wrote:
are you seriously going to argue that ancient apparition does not counter alchemist in any way shape or form

i honestly do not give a single fuck about an ancient apparition on the enemy team if i have a dark seer/enigma combo behind me and we team wipe them anyway.
nor do i care about facing an ancient apparition 1v1 because he can ulti me all he wants, im still gonna stun and punch the fk out of him until hes dead. if the enemy is shit im also just going to rush shadowblade and farm off heroes like ancient anyway.
so yes, i am going to argue that ancient does not 'counter' alchemist.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
May 20 2016 08:27 GMT
#23851
>no counters in dota.
feels like im reading a /d2g/ post
tell me leshrac doesnt counter meepo or something
"mmr is a social construct" - tumblr
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
May 20 2016 08:56 GMT
#23852
reminder that a hero doesnt have to just be able to sneeze at someone to kill them, to be considered a counter
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
May 20 2016 10:01 GMT
#23853
On May 20 2016 17:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i honestly do not give a single fuck about an ancient apparition on the enemy team if i have a dark seer/enigma combo behind me and we team wipe them anyway.

Thats amazing. I also dont give a fuck about anything if I have a team winning the game for me. I'll just go linken into solar crest AM all day every day.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 20 2016 16:12 GMT
#23854
On May 20 2016 17:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 14:53 BluemoonSC wrote:
are you seriously going to argue that ancient apparition does not counter alchemist in any way shape or form

i honestly do not give a single fuck about an ancient apparition on the enemy team if i have a dark seer/enigma combo behind me and we team wipe them anyway.
nor do i care about facing an ancient apparition 1v1 because he can ulti me all he wants, im still gonna stun and punch the fk out of him until hes dead. if the enemy is shit im also just going to rush shadowblade and farm off heroes like ancient anyway.
so yes, i am going to argue that ancient does not 'counter' alchemist.


This is probably one of the least thought out posts I've read on here. I'll keep it short and sweet.

-Anyone could win behind an amazing wombo or 4 players capable of carrying them. this includes people on your team that make the game feel like a 4v6. You can usually find 1-2 Reddit posts with screenshots of feeders still winning the game despite their incessant feeding.

-Why even bring up an ancient apparition 1v1? The hero's functionality is as a long range initiation and even if he wasn't, any support would melt to an alch.

Even if i remotely agreed with you that there wasn't such a thing as a counter, your arguments are extremely unconvincing and not thought out at all.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
May 20 2016 17:15 GMT
#23855
Counter isn't meant to imply a 100% - 0% match up either; it just implies a noticeable and consistent advantage
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 20 2016 17:55 GMT
#23856
There are also different degrees involved.

If you look at hard counters, we can talk about cleave vs a meepo (meepos? xD).

If you look at soft counters, silence vs an ember spirit. It doesnt make the ember impossible to play but he has to build and play in a certain way to have success.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
May 20 2016 18:06 GMT
#23857
I like how genuine question "how to get better?" turned out to be argument about what counter means, carry on boys.

On May 20 2016 06:47 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Just blindpicked Drow and crushed it. Maybe I need to stop trying to be a jack of all trades and just play a couple heroes like a few folks have said. Hmmmmm


Nice! Now its all about building ur confidence and then trying out new stuff without worrying too much, u can always go back to something u know already if things go south.

GL
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you to their level and then beat you with experience. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/115305822 https://yasp.co/players/115305822
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1964 Posts
May 20 2016 18:42 GMT
#23858
On May 20 2016 17:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 14:53 BluemoonSC wrote:
are you seriously going to argue that ancient apparition does not counter alchemist in any way shape or form

i honestly do not give a single fuck about an ancient apparition on the enemy team if i have a dark seer/enigma combo behind me and we team wipe them anyway.
nor do i care about facing an ancient apparition 1v1 because he can ulti me all he wants, im still gonna stun and punch the fk out of him until hes dead. if the enemy is shit im also just going to rush shadowblade and farm off heroes like ancient anyway.
so yes, i am going to argue that ancient does not 'counter' alchemist.

If you try to 1v1 an AA and he has an Atos (which in my opinion in a pub game he should) he will just cold feet you and walk away. Or he might even be able to kill you depending on levels.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
May 20 2016 19:59 GMT
#23859
On May 20 2016 17:15 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2016 14:53 BluemoonSC wrote:
are you seriously going to argue that ancient apparition does not counter alchemist in any way shape or form

i honestly do not give a single fuck about an ancient apparition on the enemy team if i have a dark seer/enigma combo behind me and we team wipe them anyway.
nor do i care about facing an ancient apparition 1v1 because he can ulti me all he wants, im still gonna stun and punch the fk out of him until hes dead. if the enemy is shit im also just going to rush shadowblade and farm off heroes like ancient anyway.
so yes, i am going to argue that ancient does not 'counter' alchemist.

Well you can argue it all you like, just like people argue that the earth is flat and that evolution is a lie and that the earth is 6000 years old

It doesn't make it any less true.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
May 20 2016 20:17 GMT
#23860
I mean it's not quite like Rock Paper Scissors but there are definitely hero counters. Just ask my stupid friend stack who first pick medusa every game.
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