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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On May 21 2016 03:06 Velzi wrote: I like how genuine question "how to get better?" turned out to be argument about what counter means, carry on boys. when a player comes to the forums, I would rather them not be led on with misconceptions about the answer to their genuine question. Plus I think an argument requires two sides and there is clearly only one of them  | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
edit: or cyclone/rock from Brewmaster ult... | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8778 Posts
if you are 'disadvantaged' then its not a counter, its literally just a disadvantage. by everyones logic here doom is a counter to every fking hero in the game minus meepo. disruptor is generally a very good support pick vs storm. does that make him a counter? no. when you have an omni to repel you storm has nothing to fear. the idea that one hero can counter another in a 5v5 game is fucking stupid because everything is dependent on your team composition. is this actually so hard to understand and im not trying to argue that there arent heroes that definitely do better against certain heroes. what im saying is you cant go around making blanket statements that "x hero counters y" without taking into consideration the rest of the lineups on both teams. like i said in my previous example, if i have a ridiculously good wombo combo lineup vs a composition that doesnt particularly excel at anything, an aa ulti which is "generally" useful against an alch is gonna do fuck all because youre gonna lose any fight anyway. suggesting to a noob to blindly pick x hero because hes good against y wont solve their problem when they actually should be assessing the lineups' strengths and disadvantages of both sides before they pick. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1964 Posts
On May 21 2016 13:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: being useful against certain heroes doesnt make you a 'counter' to it. a counter in a moba game would be a matchup where you literally cant do shit againt the opponent. thats a counter if you are 'disadvantaged' then its not a counter, its literally just a disadvantage. by everyones logic here doom is a counter to every fking hero in the game minus meepo. disruptor is generally a very good support pick vs storm. does that make him a counter? no. when you have an omni to repel you storm has nothing to fear. the idea that one hero can counter another in a 5v5 game is fucking stupid because everything is dependent on your team composition. is this actually so hard to understand and im not trying to argue that there arent heroes that definitely do better against certain heroes. what im saying is you cant go around making blanket statements that "x hero counters y" without taking into consideration the rest of the lineups on both teams. like i said in my previous example, if i have a ridiculously good wombo combo lineup vs a composition that doesnt particularly excel at anything, an aa ulti which is "generally" useful against an alch is gonna do fuck all because youre gonna lose any fight anyway. suggesting to a noob to blindly pick x hero because hes good against y wont solve their problem when they actually should be assessing the lineups' strengths and disadvantages of both sides before they pick. When you say "disadvantaged" people think of that as a counter, and when you literally can't do shit people think of a hard counter. Also, have fun dooming a pa (if doom doesn't have aghs) and then trying to manfight her. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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DV G
Argentina2339 Posts
I mean there's not 1 way to play heroes, if you check for example FY's BM #4 is diffrent from Newbee's or some west ones. You have to set up 1-2 ganks, or use your boars to harass the offlane while you farm inbetween (if the lane is too passive or you have nothing to do, just resort to jungle) but i think being overly passive with BM wont help, try to find a balance with the hero setup you have, the opportunities that can arise and help with runes to your midlane if that's what he needs. also talk to the #5 if he's gonna be a Ward-bitch or if he needs some help too. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
On May 21 2016 14:10 Birdie wrote: are you really arguing that disruptor doesn't counter storm i don't think he counters storm does he? you can zip out of glimpse. I think he counters qop more. incidentally how does static storm work with puck? if I cast it when puck is in phase shift what happens can he blink out? | ||
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Yurie
11977 Posts
On May 25 2016 04:44 evanthebouncy! wrote: i don't think he counters storm does he? you can zip out of glimpse. I think he counters qop more. incidentally how does static storm work with puck? if I cast it when puck is in phase shift what happens can he blink out? He can blink out in the direction he is facing in. If he tries to change direction he will take damage and dagger will be disabled. | ||
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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
On May 25 2016 04:44 evanthebouncy! wrote: i don't think he counters storm does he? you can zip out of glimpse. I think he counters qop more. incidentally how does static storm work with puck? if I cast it when puck is in phase shift what happens can he blink out? u press R and storm can't zip, it's pretty amazing. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
i wouldnt call it a counter tho | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
melee mids get murdered by laser/march qe invokers probably the hardest common mu but its not that bad | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Jaeger
United States1150 Posts
Eventually you'll find what you like and then you can spam that hero/role. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
lifesteal = buy your own smoke, go rosh. same with any other hero that can buy a helm of dominator as core item early on. grab a creep, smoke, go rosh. you probably have a salve left over from laning, so use that while your creep is tanking. have aegis, ping your team, take a tower. if you wipe them relatively early on, just back up and farm. if you do this later on when death timers are higher, or you come out healthy, just walk down the lane and take the t2. even if you die in a closely contested fight, it's most likely because they devoted a lot, and your team very little. you end up on top overall if teammates are farming or catching up. buy your own dusts of appearance, wards, tomes, and anything else, save for actual utility items. you are the carry, act like it. if you've got early game heroes, act like it also. cripple them with your heroes and try ending the game soon. i like this approach to getting exp in this game. your supports get rich, you learn how to farm to support that large bank of yours and you learn how much your own mistakes can matter through problem solving how to take down the t3 buildings. if it requires a coordinated gank on a specific hero, you'll figure out a way and in hindsight thought, you will continue to find better ways for those same situations. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
How does this example happen: * Enemy is standing behind melee creeps * I shackle shot a creep * The shackle connects to the catapult creep with the tether line running directly through the enemy hero. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2617 Posts
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Baggage
Hong Kong593 Posts
So assuming both units are in the same angle alignment, then the unit farther away will be shackled. Helpful Links: http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=647908 https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/3lgx2u/shackleshot_always_prioritises_units_over_trees/cv6be6h | ||
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