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On May 18 2016 22:46 Shirow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2016 07:12 Birdie wrote:
When I was 3k I thought BF was a terrible item because I never saw someone get it before 25 minutes. I think that's true if you can't get it quick enough, more or less. Once you get to about 4k people get it pre 20 minutes and many people get it at 15 so it's fine then. I really have no idea when or where you played, but the 3k guys i know don't really get it after ~ 18 min either. After they bought treads/phase and something else small. I get the 5k elitist thinking, but please stop making things up like that.
I was in 3k about a year ago, on Aus servers. I can only speak from my experience but I am NOT making it up and think it is quite rude of you to say that I am lying. My experience is that most people in the 3k bracket are not capable of consistently getting it before 25 minutes. Even in the 4k bracket you still see people going brown boots BF and getting it at ~18 minutes or some other really slow timing, but it was much worse in the 3k bracket.
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What heroes synergize well with Riki, supports and cores included? I never know what to pick when I have a core riki on my team.
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On May 19 2016 08:05 Tachion wrote:
What heroes synergize well with Riki, supports and cores included? I never know what to pick when I have a core riki on my team.
Magnus is kinda synergetic with empower and riki's ulti. Otherwise, stuns and spells that keep squishy ole riki alive. Potentially things to purge dust off him although that's minor.
If he's laning carry or then you need a really strong lane support because riki is very weak in lane unless your team has good sentry control in the lane.
I think synergy with riki is much more about how you play rather than what hero you have though.
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Disruptor is always good with that type of hero. He can get you vision for glimpse and kinetic field is great to hold enemies in his ult.
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i played against a riki (im slardar) shit is hard. you cant counter initiate with blink stun because of smoke
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riki warlock is the real deal
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I may have asked this before, but im not sure. Anyway, ive been playing since 2012, and still cannot figure out hero counters. Ive watched boatloads of tourneys, and listened to casters rationale. And at the time, im like "yeah that's obvious. You would pick x to counter y". Then, when im in a game, total fuckin blank. I stare at an invoker mid and im losing gold while i panic pick anything with a silence or a lolnyx that ive only played 3 times.
So LD, am i retarded? Has anyone had this problem and then plummeted in mmr as other players got better while you stagnated? If so, have you figured out a solution? Because i genuinely feel dumb as fuck for being able to maintain a 3.78 gpa while not being able to comprehend a video game.
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Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there.
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On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there.
Can you elaborate?
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On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there. Can you elaborate?
Ehm?
Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing.
f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better.
Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer?
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SoCal8910 Posts
I think he's saying he just doesn't understand what heroes or items to counter other heroes and why.
Here's an example for OP. When you want to counter something, you think about its strength as an item or a hero. Consider PA.
One of the strengths she has is evasion as a passive, so you counter her evasion with a silver edge (break disables passive abilities) or any form of true strike (like mkb, bloodthorn)
More advanced: alchemist and slark are strong when they have the ability to freely regenerate hp during a battle. Ancient apparition is a fantastic counter pick because his ultimate disables hp gains.
TLDR: consider what makes the hero good/strong. A solid counter is an item/hero that removes that strength.
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abusing weaknesses is often easier than removing strengths
aka "storm spends a lot of mana real fast so pick am to ult him xd"
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SoCal8910 Posts
i had that scenario as removing a strength drawn up in my head.
i see storm's ability to zip zap and dance around, being generally elusive as his strength. AM takes away that strength by removing his mana and pressing r for fireworks.
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I mean AM really doesn't put a dent in storms mana unless you already have him say lasso'd and u manta and really it just isn't a relevant amount of mana burn unless ur like 2 items ahead of him.
Apart from being hard to kill, AM's key utility vs storm is literally pressing R if storm spends his mana.
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On May 20 2016 02:34 Velzi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there. Can you elaborate? Ehm? Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing. f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better. Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer?
This is embarassing. I need to use one of my other accounts to hide my shame. Ive always loved the anonymity of dota because i dont have anything to brag about for sure, so this is a weird feeling lol.
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/47673032/matches
Also, the mmr listed is wrong. Im at like 1522 right now (god help me).
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SoCal8910 Posts
taking away definitely refers to physically removing the mana but I'm saying not only does he do that, but he takes away storm's ability to make risky plays or solo picks because he can't be certain AM won't be around the corner for a mana void. forcing a hero to play differently or less than ideally is more of a "soft counter" thing, but I still think its valid in the discussion.
plus doesn't AM get a much faster abyssal + manta with the vanguard building into abyssal these days?
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On May 20 2016 03:29 Ayaz2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 02:34 Velzi wrote:On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there. Can you elaborate? Ehm? Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing. f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better. Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer? This is embarassing. I need to use one of my other accounts to hide my shame. Ive always loved the anonymity of dota because i dont have anything to brag about for sure, so this is a weird feeling lol. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/47673032/matchesAlso, the mmr listed is wrong. Im at like 1522 right now (god help me).
only u see ur mmr on dotabuff
(different for yasp)
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On May 20 2016 03:34 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2016 03:29 Ayaz2810 wrote:On May 20 2016 02:34 Velzi wrote:On May 20 2016 02:31 Ayaz2810 wrote:On May 20 2016 02:29 Velzi wrote:
Back to basics, forget about counterpicking and go back to things u are good at and expand from there. Can you elaborate? Ehm? Basicly what im saying is that do not try to imitate something what pros do or something u think should work, rather pick hero u are good at even if its not direct counter to the enemy u are facing. f.e. vs Invoker there are good laners like PL Nyx OD TA etc. but if u are not good at those heroes, pick something u are good at because its gonna work better. Maybe share your dotabuff or something so we can look closer? This is embarassing. I need to use one of my other accounts to hide my shame. Ive always loved the anonymity of dota because i dont have anything to brag about for sure, so this is a weird feeling lol. http://www.dotabuff.com/players/47673032/matchesAlso, the mmr listed is wrong. Im at like 1522 right now (god help me). only u see ur mmr on dotabuff (different for yasp)
I see. I wonder why its off so much... it says 1989 but i havent been that high since like.... 6.85? The shitshow that was 6.86? Hmmmmm
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Honestly I wouldn't concern yourself with counters at that level. Sure, you probably aren't going to win too many games as zeus vs a huskar but realistically that's just not as important as improving your play in other ways.
Most heroes in the game aren't "brood lords vs phoenixes" type counters. It's more like "stalkers vs roaches" where roaches crush on even cost unless the stalkers are blink micro'd well in which case stalkers crush right.
Also dotabuff will show your mmr from whenever the last time you had MMR listed on your account was. Potentially pre-reborn if you've never listed solo mmr as visible since reborn.
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SoCal8910 Posts
oh forget about it there are so many intricacies in matchups where itemization in a given timeframe dictates who is wearing the daddy pants. then 5 minutes later the roles completely reverse. 10, and yet again they shift.
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