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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-03 12:23:14
April 03 2016 12:20 GMT
#23621
On April 02 2016 21:59 Velzi wrote:
1. Sven Spectre Ursa
2. Invoker OD Zeus
3. Tide DS Void (Ench) NP (LD) BM
(LD and ench played from the offlane but LD is more like 2 with the farm he gets and ench is more like 4)
4. Enigma BH Doom(China) Phoenix
5. Venge Chen Bane Lion Oracle Omni

Probably missed a few but u get the idea, its all about who gets the OD/Invoker/Sven/Spectre with proper supports who keep them alive/make them monsters.

E: Earth Spirit, Clinkz, Puck, Tiny+IO, Weaver having some love too lately.

Does Sven really belong in that exalted company? Like he's a good hero but he ain't spectre.

Zeus necro and omni are worth fighting for as well, as usual.
Just_a_Moth
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1970 Posts
April 03 2016 14:07 GMT
#23622
I agree, Sven is good, but that's all he is. Kind like when Slardar was good and some people thought he was op, but he really was just finally good.
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 03 2016 14:18 GMT
#23623
Well its obviously debatable but from my experience Sven is really strong and stable right now, its like SF used to be, fast farmer with strong teamfight presence and high burst.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 03 2016 14:39 GMT
#23624
if youre stacking ancients and camps, you will hit a timing before spectre and you will be able to 5 man ezpz..nothing they can do.

if youre not stacking ancients and camps, you will not hit that timing and be just "good"
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-04 04:38:03
April 04 2016 01:14 GMT
#23625
I'm not saying that he can't beat spectre. From his pro performance you could argue that he's actually a lot more stable than spec when played properly.

I'm just not sure that he counts as an MMR-dispenser, because he does actually need to be played properly.

Either way it's not particularly important. I can't see this meta lasting longer than a couple more weeks.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
April 04 2016 19:28 GMT
#23626
I think you're right about the MMR dispenser thing Belisarius. To me Sven is strong, but you need more from the lineups than someone like a Spectre or you'll just get kited around in fights. Spectre's eventually able to mitigate that more by having Haunt, Diffusal, Radiance, and Dispersion.
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
April 05 2016 03:19 GMT
#23627
Is there a trick to avoid getting picked off when dewarding? I have trouble with this because, even if I do know where the ward is, dewarding it means they can see me.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
April 05 2016 03:22 GMT
#23628
probably after winning a team fight or with a companion or with a quelling blade or while pushing.

mostly game sense and experience. every time you die dewarding, always ask yourself how and why and you'll learn from it
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2806 Posts
April 05 2016 04:04 GMT
#23629
Warding is a big balance game. The simple answer is to have better wards than them that let you know whether or not it's safe to deward. The darker your minimap is, the harder and less safe it is to ward/deward.
Birdie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
New Zealand4438 Posts
April 05 2016 04:15 GMT
#23630
Most of the time you can just ask someone to go with you to deward, usually carries won't mind and people are less likely to gank you/win the gank if you have 2-3 people going with you.
Red classic | A butterfly dreamed he was Zhuangzi | 4.5k, heading to 5k as support!
JoeHannes
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany207 Posts
April 05 2016 11:33 GMT
#23631
Why is Storm not a thing right now?
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-05 12:39:32
April 05 2016 12:39 GMT
#23632
On April 05 2016 20:33 JoeHannes wrote:
Why is Storm not a thing right now?

Because of how Icefrog destroyed the hero with multiple nerfs to hero itself and multiple nerfs to how jungle creeps work and bloodstone and shit.

+ Meta is very 5-man oriented right now which is not necessarily storm's strongest part in its current state.

E: Also meta mids now like OD Invoker both shit on storm pre-6 really hard so u cant really play him mid either.
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les
Profile Joined February 2010
143 Posts
April 05 2016 14:35 GMT
#23633
Today I realized that you only get magic stick charges when you have vision of the enemy casting the spell. Is that a new bug or how it supposed to be?
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-05 14:38:33
April 05 2016 14:38 GMT
#23634
On April 05 2016 23:35 les wrote:
Today I realized that you only get magic stick charges when you have vision of the enemy casting the spell. Is that a new bug or how it supposed to be?


How it's supposed to be (changed in 6.69). Keeps the wand from helping you avoid ganks especially vs heroes that might activate a spell near you, but in fog like Mirana Arrow or Ult, Bloodlust/Enchant Totem, Sprint, etc.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8933 Posts
April 06 2016 00:10 GMT
#23635
whats the interaction with abyssal and MKB? i know bashes don't stack, but how does the game determine which bash to use?

also - how is networth calculated when alchemist is in the game? will the worth of an agha get transferred to the hero that i give it to? does it count towards my networth?
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Thetwinmasters
Profile Joined January 2015
3578 Posts
April 06 2016 00:51 GMT
#23636
On April 06 2016 09:10 BluemoonSC wrote:
whats the interaction with abyssal and MKB? i know bashes don't stack, but how does the game determine which bash to use?

also - how is networth calculated when alchemist is in the game? will the worth of an agha get transferred to the hero that i give it to? does it count towards my networth?

Alch aghs buffs nw gets transfered to the hero you use it on and will it not count towards your own
I believe absssal and mkb bashes stack but not 100% sure
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2806 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-06 03:06:00
April 06 2016 03:03 GMT
#23637
MKB is a unique case where it stacks independently of other bash procs, whereas all other bash procs do not stack with each other. For example, an Ursa with a Basher and an Abyssal Blade will only proc whichever bash source he picked up first, whereas an Ursa with a Basher and an MKB has a chance to proc either independently, or both at once. Heroes with an innate bash will -never- proc a basher/abyssal, even if they do not have any points into said innate bash, though they can use MKB's mini-bash just fine.
Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 06 2016 09:18 GMT
#23638
So lets say Sven throws Hammer on a hero with Lotus Orb activated and then Rubick spell steals from the target who got stunned, what does Rubick steal?

I'm pretty sure Rubick doesnt get the hammer but then again should he get it or not? Who or what is the caster of the echoed spell? The item or the hero?

In Dotawiki it says: Does not reflect Spell Steal but thats not the case here. But it also says: Reflected spells are treated as if the reflecting unit owns the spell and casts it back on the reflect target.
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
April 06 2016 12:07 GMT
#23639
Yeah Rubick doesn't get the stormbolt in that case. Whether or not it's a bug or not I have no idea though.
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
April 06 2016 12:28 GMT
#23640
On April 06 2016 21:07 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Yeah Rubick doesn't get the stormbolt in that case. Whether or not it's a bug or not I have no idea though.

Yea, im just trying to figure out how broken it would be having double roar or something in same team (;
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