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If you Blink and don't move you move exactly 1300 range, which isn't enough to not take damage. You have to move MORE than 1300 range in 0.25s to not take damage from Rupture, which is why you have to move.
This is why it's a little bit random, because you don't know when the 0.25s interval starts and ends, so even if you have to turn just a little bit, if you haven't moved when the current 0.25s interval ends, you'll take damage.
On February 23 2015 10:42 FFGenerations wrote:
maybe axe call -> pheonix aghs so you got 2 invulnerable heroes while they try to attack the axe
If Axe calls enough heroes for Phoenix to safely finish ulting, he doesn't want to be hidden because that means he doesn't get to damage people with Counter Helix.
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On February 23 2015 11:08 TheYango wrote:If you Blink and don't move you move exactly 1300 range, which isn't enough to not take damage. You have to move MORE than 1300 range in 0.25s to not take damage from Rupture, which is why you have to move. This is why it's a little bit random, because you don't know when the 0.25s interval starts and ends, so even if you have to turn just a little bit, if you haven't moved when the current 0.25s interval ends, you'll take damage. Show nested quote +On February 23 2015 10:42 FFGenerations wrote:
maybe axe call -> pheonix aghs so you got 2 invulnerable heroes while they try to attack the axe If Axe calls enough heroes for Phoenix to safely finish ulting, he doesn't want to be hidden because that means he doesn't get to damage people with Counter Helix.
Yeah there's no point in the agh's there. Phoenix - Axe is a fun combo, but it can go either way. Call is a great setup for Phoenix's skills, but the attack speed slow is also counter-productive to how Axe gets kills.
Tombstone + Supernova are not really as attractive as they appear. If you don't have some serious lockdown, which you won't with Phoenix and Undying, the enemy team is just going to move away from the combo. Same applies to Death Prophet.
Medusa and Phoenix is a known and pretty good combo. It's talked about pre-agh's but it actually works with agh's as well. Medusa will inherit Phoenix's position and facing from when Phoenix ults and the Stone Gaze will still work as normal. So you could use that to ensure a good Super nova into a once again full health Medusa.
The other combo that may be worthwhile is Lone Druid to refresh the Bear and Battle Cry (Battle Cry does not count as an ult). Again, LD retains Phoenix's position in terms of what the bear can do while LD is in super nova. With LD's defensive positioning in most fights it makes it easy to work out how to get the ult off. The bear also has entangle to both protect the egg and trap attackers.
Other than that you're just looking for tanky cores who are a huge pain to kill twice and ideally offer some form of supporting lockdown to protect the egg or force enemies to stay in its radius. Most non-ult abilities refresh too fast for the risk of being in Supernova (and the lost damage) to be anything like a reliable combo.
E: Oh and one other cheesy one is Phoenix Pugna to put down two netherwards which will in fact both proc on spell cast though there's no situation outside of a practice lobby where that is practical, but it is funny to deal like 3000 damage to a SWM when he casts ult. Though I would love to see someone get the theoretically possible 4 netherwards out at once (ward -> refresh -> ward -> Super Nova -> ward -> Refersh+supernova -> ward).
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Hey guys,
I'm really enjoying playing Vengeful Spirit. Early on I'm mostly doing support bitchwork (pulling creeps, buying wards, harassing enemy heroes/protecting our core) which I really don't mind because it helps us win (nobody else does that stuff...) and then when I get Swap I start roaming around the map looking for ganks. Been winning a lot of games in solo queue just doing this and acting as team cheerleader.
Any other heroes that play similarly that you would recommend? Just for diversity or in case VS gets picked.
At 2.3k mmr with pretty good micro/map awareness but just limited game knowledge (SC2 player).
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On February 24 2015 01:01 DinoMight wrote:
Hey guys,
I'm really enjoying playing Vengeful Spirit. Early on I'm mostly doing support bitchwork (pulling creeps, buying wards, harassing enemy heroes/protecting our core) which I really don't mind because it helps us win (nobody else does that stuff...) and then when I get Swap I start roaming around the map looking for ganks. Been winning a lot of games in solo queue just doing this and acting as team cheerleader.
Any other heroes that play similarly that you would recommend? Just for diversity or in case VS gets picked.
At 2.3k mmr with pretty good micro/map awareness but just limited game knowledge (SC2 player).
Disruptor, Crystal Maiden, Rubick, Skywrath, Bane, Shadow Demon, and Mirana should all be able to do that to some extent.
It sounds mostly like what you want is just any support that has the tools to harass the offlane and the ability to initiate ganks from a medium/long range at 6 even without items and without having to rely on big cooldowns.
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SoCal8933 Posts
this is a hard question to answer because for the most part, all heroes play differently even if they fill similar roles. seems like you want a lane support with a disable and a team fighting ultimate.
here are a couple heroes that you might enjoy.
-witch doctor. he even has a heal and his ultimate does a ton of dmg especially if you get a solid cask +maledict combo. or even just a cask. one mobility item and getting an agh's means you can dish out a ton of damage.
-crystal maiden. she has fallen out of the meta, but she can jungle at level one to give your carry solo xp, has a mana regen aura which is good if you have heroes whose spells are spammable, and combos great with heroes like jugg who will be seen a lot in your games. frostbite + blade fury = first blood. her ultimate is a great tool to either zone an enemy team or just completely destroy a teamfight. she's slow as shit though, so build mobility items and utility.
-disruptor. he doesn't have a stun, but if you like to team fight he's your guy. glimpse brings a hero back to the place he was a couple seconds ago. combine that with "the playpen" as I lovingly refer to it, and his ultimate and you have yourself an easy gank. getting a mobility item so you can secure vision of a hero and then utility items, potentially an agh's, can really help set up that gank.
hope that helps!
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I found Disruptor very frustrating to play at low MMR because people always seem radically surprised when you use your spells.
People on your team.
Lion can roam and zone, and only gets stronger at it.
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On February 24 2015 02:38 FHDH wrote:
I found Disruptor very frustrating to play at low MMR because people always seem radically surprised when you use your spells.
People on your team.
Lion can roam and zone, and only gets stronger at it.
Yeah he looks interesting but that's one thing I'm worried about. People at my MMR seem to not understand how the most basic things work. Don't hit Abaddon when his ult is up. Don't focus Bristleback in team fights. VS is simple because I just tell them "I'm going to swap him here then you kill him." Or I can just cast a stun on someone and gank them.
Actually Lion seems fun, I think I'll try him. Has 2 pretty good disables really early on which at my MMR should mean a lot of easy kills! He's annoying as hell to play against from experience.
Is there any clear downside to just first picking him in a game? What does a Lion counterpick look like?
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Only real counterpick to Lion is not picking carries that either suffer significantly from mana drain or don't like buying bkb and are vulnerable to lockdown.
Generally speaking in pubs at least one of the first two picks should be supports. It's better they adjust their picks to you than to the mid or carry.
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If we are talking about 2,3k i dont think anyone buys bkb anyways so lion should be idd a good pick.
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On February 24 2015 02:43 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 02:38 FHDH wrote:
I found Disruptor very frustrating to play at low MMR because people always seem radically surprised when you use your spells.
People on your team.
Lion can roam and zone, and only gets stronger at it. Yeah he looks interesting but that's one thing I'm worried about. People at my MMR seem to not understand how the most basic things work. Don't hit Abaddon when his ult is up. Don't focus Bristleback in team fights. VS is simple because I just tell them "I'm going to swap him here then you kill him." Or I can just cast a stun on someone and gank them. Actually Lion seems fun, I think I'll try him. Has 2 pretty good disables really early on which at my MMR should mean a lot of easy kills! He's annoying as hell to play against from experience. Is there any clear downside to just first picking him in a game? What does a Lion counterpick look like?
If People seem ok with your offensive Swaps then Glimpse should work fine too, if not better. Just use kinetic field around where they'll glimpse back to, ping it repeatedly, and your allies should be able to figure it out. The two spells (Glimpse and Swap) should create similar levels of ally confusion.
Lion should work well, but his initiation range is less than someone like Venge's (or at least it's not reliable at longer range) so you'll need to learn to get a blink dagger on him.
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I actually stopped playing Venge for months because people were idiots about swap, too.
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SoCal8933 Posts
lion is definitely a good pick because he can delete a support when the carries get bkb. add a blink to his instant hex and you have yourself a gank.
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On February 24 2015 03:32 FHDH wrote:
I actually stopped playing Venge for months because people were idiots about swap, too.
Lol.
I had to pick a core (Ursa) because a guy on my team first-picked Venge in a game this weekend. We snuck up on this guy in their jungle and tried to gank him. Here's what happened:
I did my normal Ursa thing: I blinked on top of him, cast all my spells, hit Q and got ready to maul him. At the same exact time, my Venge swapped him out.
So we both stood there looking silly while he simply ran away. A few seconds he typed to us: "lol"
So frustrating haha. A Venge that swaps without communicating is the most annoying thing....
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SoCal8933 Posts
it's helpful to establish a skill order that your team follows.
like, I blink first. or I swap first.
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Sounds like your Venge being dumb about Swap (unless they didn't know you had blink). Good rule of thumb is never swap until there's a good reason to. The spell is too damn good to waste.
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I find the best thing to do is to literally explain step by step what you're going to do in every gank. Like:
"Hey, I'm going to Swap this dude and then stun him and you guys will focus fire him down. Okay, ready? Go."
Of course I play with morons...
Wish it didn't take 45m-1hr just to get +24 MMR. I just don't have enough time to play the Dota required to increase my MMR enough haha.
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Yeah I never get how people ever have the time to 'grind mmr' and get from 4k to 5k or whatnot. +25 for an hour's work, and everyone at some point experiences those huge losing streaks where you lose 200 mmr over 10 consecutive losses or something.
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SoCal8933 Posts
you just have to treat each game as a learning experience and realize your mmr is just a number.
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On February 24 2015 05:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
you just have to treat each game as a learning experience and realize your mmr is just a number.
Speaking of MMR, where can I get an idea of how I am relative to other Dota players?
StarCraft2 has a ladder system so it's easy to see I'm Diamond and know how I compare.
My MMR is around 2.3k. Does that mean I'm really bad, bad, average?  My friend who plays a lot is around 5k so that's the only reference point I have and he knows a lot more about the game than me.
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On February 24 2015 05:52 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 05:49 BluemoonSC wrote:
you just have to treat each game as a learning experience and realize your mmr is just a number. Speaking of MMR, where can I get an idea of how I am relative to other Dota players? StarCraft2 has a ladder system so it's easy to see I'm Diamond and know how I compare. My MMR is around 2.3k. Does that mean I'm really bad, bad, average? My friend who plays a lot is around 5k so that's the only reference point I have and he knows a lot more about the game than me.
Honestly you're probably around the median. But the fact is we just don't know.
Dotabuff is starting to track MMR, so they may be able to start making estimates based on that, but you have a double selection bias at work. You not only have to be signed up for Dotabuff but be participating in their MMR tracking system. Maybe some day Valve will start communicating about MMR to us. Some day.
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