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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
February 22 2015 20:35 GMT
#20861
nah axe spin is a triggered ability and isnt disabled. like backtrack
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
February 22 2015 20:38 GMT
#20862
I can't remember pig-axe spinning, but if you say so.

Still Backtrack is the most bullshit OP ability in the game then. 25% damage mitigation no matter what. (actually a bit higher, then, since it is pseudo random, isn't it?)
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 22 2015 20:39 GMT
#20863
On February 23 2015 05:38 Jotoco wrote:
I can't remember pig-axe spinning, but if you say so.

Still Backtrack is the most bullshit OP ability in the game then. 25% damage mitigation no matter what. (actually a bit higher, then, since it is pseudo random, isn't it?)

Can be massively higher than that since he can backtrack ults like Finger and Laguna Blade.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
February 22 2015 20:45 GMT
#20864
On February 23 2015 05:39 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 05:38 Jotoco wrote:
I can't remember pig-axe spinning, but if you say so.

Still Backtrack is the most bullshit OP ability in the game then. 25% damage mitigation no matter what. (actually a bit higher, then, since it is pseudo random, isn't it?)

Can be massively higher than that since he can backtrack ults like Finger and Laguna Blade.


There is a DotaCinema Video (fails, I believe) where a void backtracks, I beliee, 14 attacks in a row. Bullshot bullshit bullshit. And then he runs in low HP and dies to a Sun Strike.

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 20:56:39
February 22 2015 20:56 GMT
#20865
On February 23 2015 05:38 Jotoco wrote:
I can't remember pig-axe spinning, but if you say so.

It does the damage, but doesn't have an animation. In a big fight you probably wouldn't notice it among other damage sources.

On February 23 2015 05:38 Jotoco wrote:
Still Backtrack is the most bullshit OP ability in the game then. 25% damage mitigation no matter what. (actually a bit higher, then, since it is pseudo random, isn't it?)

Backtrack doesn't use PRD.

The only things that use PRD are hardcoded crit/bash/damage block/orbs + MoC and Counter Helix.
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Jotoco
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1342 Posts
February 22 2015 22:02 GMT
#20866
Thank you for the knowledge Yango.

Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 22:18:13
February 22 2015 22:16 GMT
#20867
I don't think bashes use PRD.
(E) Wiki says most of them do but Greater Bash doesn't.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 22:23:27
February 22 2015 22:23 GMT
#20868
On February 23 2015 07:16 Buckyman wrote:
I don't think bashes use PRD.
(E) Wiki says most of them do but Greater Bash doesn't.

Greater Bash and Skull Basher are not hardcoded bash (as evidenced by them having cooldowns).
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6228 Posts
February 22 2015 22:27 GMT
#20869
Actually on that note, abyssal bash retains the skull basher cooldown, it just doesn't show on the icon, right?
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 22 2015 23:08 GMT
#20870
what's the interaction between qop's max range blink and rupture? with a max range blink can she take dmg?

on a couple occasions i blinked well past the max range (since her blink isn't penalized) and one time i took dmg the other time i did not.

what's going on with that?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 22 2015 23:19 GMT
#20871
Rupture checks on 0.25s intervals how far you moved. If you moved MORE THAN 1300 units, you take no damage for that 0.25s interval.

Max range Blink moves exactly 1300 units. So depending on where the timing of the 0.25s range check interval lands, you might take damage, or you might not.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 22 2015 23:21 GMT
#20872
so basically the reason i didn't take damage is because i was lucky (read: godly reactions)?
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eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
February 22 2015 23:23 GMT
#20873
On February 23 2015 07:23 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 07:16 Buckyman wrote:
I don't think bashes use PRD.
(E) Wiki says most of them do but Greater Bash doesn't.

Greater Bash and Skull Basher are not hardcoded bash (as evidenced by them having cooldowns).

oh wow that's stupidly obvious in retrospect

so is the fact that those bashes don't use PRD just an artifact of them not being hardcoded bashes? Or is it intentional?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-22 23:28:34
February 22 2015 23:25 GMT
#20874
On February 23 2015 08:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
so basically the reason i didn't take damage is because i was lucky (read: godly reactions)?

Well more likely that you happened to move perfectly straight after your Blink and didn't take a fraction of a second to turn in place (during which time, the range check would happen and deal damage for you moving 1300 units).

So yeah, you were lucky, lol.

On February 23 2015 08:23 eieio wrote:
so is the fact that those bashes don't use PRD just an artifact of them not being hardcoded bashes? Or is it intentional?

I would expect that it is an artifact of them not being hardcoded.

Interestingly, LD's Entangle is on PRD in DotA 1, but not in DotA 2. The only reason I can think of for this is consistency with other CD-based attack effects. Which would hint to the current behavior being intended.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 22 2015 23:28 GMT
#20875
On February 23 2015 08:25 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2015 08:21 BluemoonSC wrote:
so basically the reason i didn't take damage is because i was lucky (read: godly reactions)?

Well more likely that you happened to move perfectly straight after your Blink and didn't take a fraction of a second to turn in place (during which time, the range check would happen and deal damage for you moving 1300 units).


so is it possible to not take damage consistently? would i need to turn, wait to stop, then blink in the exact direction i was facing max range?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 22 2015 23:30 GMT
#20876
It's not the movement before the Blink that matters (since the animation for Blink is longer than 0.25s anyway). It's whether your move command after your Blink is in the exact same direction as your Blink.
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FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
February 22 2015 23:41 GMT
#20877
I can't remember the facing mechanics with blink but yeah sounds like if you immediately move the same direction as your blink you will avoid the damage in the vast majority of cases. Since you only have to move one unit more I don't think this even has to be super precise as long as you don't sit and turn in place.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
February 23 2015 00:00 GMT
#20878
ah okay, so simply blinking wont do the trick. gotcha.
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
February 23 2015 01:19 GMT
#20879
In theory u should be able to move to a a spot, shift-queue a max range blink and shift queue another movement in the same direction. Dno if it works in practice though.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-23 01:48:41
February 23 2015 01:42 GMT
#20880
how about if you just straight up blink then dont move (tp) afterwards? or does tping change your turn

any cool combos for pheonix aghs? like tombstone -> pheonix aghs -> tombstone

maybe axe call -> pheonix aghs so you got 2 invulnerable heroes while they try to attack the axe
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