EPT[Hero] Nature's Prophet - Page 4
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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United States7542 Posts
On August 16 2013 23:26 BigO wrote: There's pretty much nothing I hate more then Furions that just keeps ulting whenever it's off cd, especially when I'm playing a carry. It doesn't even really help push the lanes that fast compared to acctually being there with your treants. Using it to help kill heroes/in teamfights is way better use of that ulti in my opinion. I've seen a ton of NP's do this and it sucks so much. You push all the lanes and starve your carry and supports so that you can pile on some extra gold, but then that extra gold means almost nothing because you don't have the levels to back it up and it doesn't make you that much better at split pushing. KotL is the other big offender who does this. | ||
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Brainling
United States660 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
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Adrian_mx
Mexico1880 Posts
I want to play furion as a carry and idont think scythe would be good ? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8645 Posts
and furion needs scythe all the time. Even if you are the carry. Its the only disable you have | ||
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Jaaaaasper
United States10225 Posts
On August 17 2013 09:12 Severedevil wrote: I've always been curious to know if Furion can swing a Refresher. Double ulti sounds like great fun. Aghs is a thing on furion, but hes better of going shadow blade sheep into right clicks, going refresher handicaps his split push to much. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On August 17 2013 10:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: Refresher zeus and refresher furion is fun to play together. you can wipe their team using only your ulties if youre ahead enough. and furion needs scythe all the time. Even if you are the carry. Its the only disable you have gotta get dat abyssal amirite | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8645 Posts
On August 17 2013 14:21 ZeaL. wrote: Does anyone else feel that the skill necessary to execute the shadowblade -> splitpush nonstop style is much lower than the skill necessary to stop np split push? Not to mention how fucking annoying it is to play against, and after ti3 there's like an np every game.. yes. this was exactly the point ive been trying to make in another thread...drives me crazy that people dont understand how hard it is to shutdown a furion | ||
TheEmulator
28088 Posts
On August 17 2013 10:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: Refresher zeus and refresher furion is fun to play together. you can wipe their team using only your ulties if youre ahead enough. and furion needs scythe all the time. Even if you are the carry. Its the only disable you have Some of my friends did refresher Zeus/Furion and they added in Spectre. Game was awesome. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:17 Brainling wrote: Whether I use the ult on CD or more smartly depends entirely on my teammates. If at 15 minutes in I have 2x as many last hits as my "carry", he can go jump off a bridge, I'm gonna use my ult to get dollas, because I'm going to have to end up carrying anyway. Obviously I'll take in to account the carry having a rough lane and things like that...but if the carry is just bad, screw it...make money. Because when your carry is behind, what better way to help the team than to make it even harder for him to farm. On August 17 2013 09:54 Adrian_mx wrote: Im wondering what you usually build on NP offlane/jungle. I want to play furion as a carry and idont think scythe would be good ? Prophet as a pure carry is generally bad cuz he's an int hero with no abilities that translate directly to DPS or "hold your ground and fight" potential. That's why it's common for prophets to first build an item that gives you fighting utility beyond right clicks (mek, orchid, sheepstick, necrobook, etc), then build DPS later since they farm so fast. I wouldn't advise building NP with pure right click items, and I think in general sheepstick is one of the best items to build. That being said, orchid gives you a pretty good active while offering decent right click stats, so it can sometimes be a good alternative if your team needs you to provide a majority of the phyiscal DPS. It's utility in fights is more limited tho, since items like BKB, manta and force staff can be used against it. | ||
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Myrddraal
Australia937 Posts
On August 16 2013 18:45 horvaa wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 16 2013 17:32 theLiminator wrote: Regarding the aghs after boots + midas, I feel you offer a lot less of a midgame impact if you go that route as opposed to orchid/necro/shadow blade/scythe, it really makes you feel the lack of damage. You end up being a teleporting creep. I find the first damage item you get to make a huge difference in sniping a kill here or there. Those kind of pickoffs are pretty important while playing prophet. Also while it pushes the lanes, it doesn't really help you take down towers faster. So it also doesn't fulfill a splitpush role. Heck, if you really need the farm speed increase, get a maelstrom. That will give you faster farming locally, instead of globally, give you some dmg, some attack speed. It will help you push towers, make it easier to pick off heroes, and increases splitpush speed substantially. Also, the lightning hurts. I have tons of games played as furion, when Im going for high gpm mode, aga is the best item after midas from my own experience. Of course you will have a weak earlymidgame, but thats the point, you go greedy early game to get a sick lategame. After you have midas, 3-10min usually. It is still laning phase. If you farm good, help out in fights, help out in pushes, you will end up with an aga in no time. 5-15min you won do much as a Furion other then farming so why not go fullfarm mode? Theres no other jungler in the game that can outfarm you(maybe a sick sylla with double midas and getting fed like fuck) Early game and mid game you will always struggle with damage as a furion, even if you rush dagon you will have a hard time 1vs1'ing other heroes. But with aga after midas you will easily get über farm so you will be fat latemidgame and lategame. Furion gets stronger the longer the games go, if you are fat lategame. You will always be able to buyback and tp back in a fight. Farm, help out and splitpush. If you keep doing your ulti every time its off cd. You force the other team to defend all lanes at all times. Plus if you know what you are doing. When you have ulti lvl3+aga, and theres a full creep wave on the 3 lanes you will get 350-440 gold at minimum every 60sec. Often more since you will instahit meleecreeps after the 12th bounce and I only calculated meleecreeps after 12thbounce+2range creeps. maelstorm on Furion is a situational item imo. After I go aga+midas I can go every item in the game. I can go push mode, I can go carry mode. I have the farm to help my team, if we have heroes that need attack speed I can go ac etc. With maelstorm I feel to get an optimal build you need more attackspeed to really use that item. I guess you could go shadowblade and orchid, but I like to wait how the game turns out before I buy situational items The thing is though, Furion farms great anyway, why do you need another item dedicated to farming when you already have midas? It's much better to increase your impact in the early game in which you will still get nicely farmed with kills and assists rather than boost your farm and push the lanes. I got my record GPM last night playing Furion and I had to start ganking before I even got my midas because the other team was super aggressive (SB + Huskar lane). I know you still recommended helping out in fights when you can, but you also recommended spamming your ulti for the extra farm which imo is just bad, not only does it potentially waste your ult for a time that it could be more useful (ie during a fight) but it steals farm from your teammates and makes it more difficult for them to farm by pushing the lane. Personally I would go Orchid if you want to accelerate your farm, because it gives great damage, mana regen and an active that is immensely helpful for getting pickoffs. | ||
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targ
Malaysia445 Posts
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run.at.me
Australia550 Posts
Midas is good on furion because you're likely to keep it in your stash until 30min+ making it a good investment. Only time I skip it usually is when I'm rushing Mek, or my farm was shut down early game that I just need to get a team item instead. You just gotta use your brain as furion and in pubs, your bound to have a high impact. Even though I like playing him, I'd like to see teleport nerfed to 35 sec cooldown. His ability to be everywhere at any time is too strong. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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TheEmulator
28088 Posts
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Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
On August 19 2013 12:09 targ wrote: Is midas necessary on Furion? I've always gone straight for treads and hex, but I see many people go for midas. The biggest reason for Midas on furion is that he will always be able to use it on a big creep in the woods, netting him EXPERIENCE more so than gold. He is a highly leveldependent hero who can easily go for a fast midas that will speed up his leveling, as well as his extra gold. Netting him the amazing splitpush power that is his trademark really fast (Shadow Blade). | ||
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TheAwesomeAll
Netherlands1609 Posts
On August 19 2013 16:32 TheYango wrote: You pretty much always want Midas by the time you rotate into full-on splitpush, but it's not necessary to rush it. There's a lot of smaller stuff you can get along the way. why is midas considered so super core on him? The item completely destroys the momentum youd want from a push oriented hero. For just a little more gold you have mekanism wich helps win teamfights and pushing, at a ridiculously early time. I can see why youd want a midas vs a chen or when you already have a good mek carrier but most of the time it just destroys the impact youll have on the game. On August 19 2013 22:22 Tryxtira wrote: The biggest reason for Midas on furion is that he will always be able to use it on a big creep in the woods, netting him EXPERIENCE more so than gold. He is a highly leveldependent hero who can easily go for a fast midas that will speed up his leveling, as well as his extra gold. Netting him the amazing splitpush power that is his trademark really fast (Shadow Blade). He's level dependent? Im sorry if this question is stupid but how? you dont level the sprout beyond 1 point and the 4th point in your summon trees skill isnt that big of a deal so at level 9-11 youre already peaked level wise. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
But even a late Midas after that is good. Why? It's the nature of the hero. Furion's up-front combat power is simply weak--it's an inevitable part of his kit that you will enter a split-pushing phase. While you will obviously still want to go to every fight, your team actually won't want to fight that much during that timing because you're not going to be that strong, and you're still going to need to get another major item or two beyond that to enter the base, so Midas is good for that phase where your game stalls out. Basically Furion without a 1-2 major item advantage over his opponents is a very weak fighter, so while you might gank/push for an early advantage, you inevitably do have to settle into that farming phase to actually farm out that 1-2 item advantage if you want to enter the base (unless your early stuff got you THAT far ahead, in which case it doesn't matter). | ||
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