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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 15 2016 20:32 GMT
#221
Nulls + blademail has always been a retarded build. You rely on tanking hits to deal more damage, whereas a Dagon would have done the same damage instantly. You hit equally hard as well.

Just saying...
juracule
Profile Joined November 2013
292 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-15 21:11:15
May 15 2016 21:10 GMT
#222
On May 16 2016 05:32 DucK- wrote:
Nulls + blademail has always been a retarded build. You rely on tanking hits to deal more damage, whereas a Dagon would have done the same damage instantly. You hit equally hard as well.

Just saying...

Thats blatantly not true though
A blade mail alone gives 32 dmg vs 22 dmg (+3 attack speed) of dagon, adding a null gives 41 dmg + 3 attack speed for the blade mail build, at a lesser price. That's nearly double the damage.

Your point about the damage done instantly stands, although it should be said that the damage done by blade mail can also be higher than that of dagon
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
May 16 2016 00:17 GMT
#223
Blademail NP was good against squishy nukers like Zeus and Lina several patches ago.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 16 2016 02:00 GMT
#224
I'm sure dagon has its place but blademail not only has the potential to deal more dmg, but is a deterant from people nuking you for fear of hurting themselves.

The hero also has very little armor so in a team fight, sure you get your dagon off..but if that's all you get and they turn, you have no recourse.
LiquidDota Staff@BluemoonGG_
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 02:53:14
May 16 2016 02:47 GMT
#225
I mean, dagon NP is pretty bad but I don't know that blademail NP is much better.

Both builds are basically trying to turn NP into a different hero; either a bulky frontliner or a timing-based ganker.

Neither is really what you pick prophet for, but they work sometimes.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
May 16 2016 15:44 GMT
#226
Idk blademail is mainly a damage item and not something that makes you bulky.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-16 15:55:20
May 16 2016 15:55 GMT
#227
the discussion is on veil not dagon nor blademail you plebs
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
May 16 2016 20:05 GMT
#228
On May 17 2016 00:44 clickrush wrote:
Idk blademail is mainly a damage item and not something that makes you bulky.

yeah i mean, it gives 32 damage for 2200 gold, maens you cant manfight a NP, and is fine throughout the game. But ...its awkward because you want HP that drums aren't super worth it anymore. Almost feel like the build is 1 talisman 1 bracer phase and blademail...but that is super awkward. IDK anymore ufcking drums nerf man.
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Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 16 2016 21:24 GMT
#229
On May 17 2016 05:05 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2016 00:44 clickrush wrote:
Idk blademail is mainly a damage item and not something that makes you bulky.

yeah i mean, it gives 32 damage for 2200 gold, maens you cant manfight a NP, and is fine throughout the game. But ...its awkward because you want HP that drums aren't super worth it anymore. Almost feel like the build is 1 talisman 1 bracer phase and blademail...but that is super awkward. IDK anymore ufcking drums nerf man.


that's why the build is 1 veil into blademail...
holy god guys let's talk about VEIL jesus it's the best item on NP.
i think...
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 17 2016 04:29 GMT
#230
you still run into the HP issue that comeh mentions. plus the active is only good with his ult and you're rarely going to cast it in front of you bc you want bounces.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
May 17 2016 08:51 GMT
#231
you have the stats that's build from 2 null, which is great for any int hero. You also have armour and hp regen.
again I think NP's item should compliment his team in pushes, which veil provides plenty. The only drawback really is you have to be there before you cast your ult, you can get bounces regardless of where you are...
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ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 14:55:27
May 17 2016 14:40 GMT
#232
I like it a lot more than nerfed drums tbh which a lot of people still get. Veil seems better in most situations for a similar price.



+6 Strength
+6 Agility
+12 Intelligence
+6 Health regeneration
+6 Attack Damage
+6 Armor

Vs

+6 Strength
+3 Agility
+9 Intelligence
+3 Health regeneration
+3 Attack Damage


The 6 armor is a pretty big deal, and it's just a bit more stat friendly.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
May 18 2016 00:04 GMT
#233
I'd agree if people weren't rushing phase for more ms nowadays a lot and veil wasn't pretty useless for the hero himself.

I mean if you get a team item get mek. Armor health and pushing power, transfer your early gank gold into early gold for everyone. It's not like this hero has a small mana pool, nor like he really loves lategame in most situations.

If we are talking stats alone dl still gives +300 health and some as which still beats drums easily statwise. Something like pike into deso/orchid should still turn him into a decent pusher as well as fighter for relatively little cost.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
May 18 2016 02:13 GMT
#234
i go treads if im gonna be pushing a lot, phase if ill be ganking other lanes during laning stage.
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
May 18 2016 20:24 GMT
#235
idk if the drums VS veil argument is even remotely relevant considering the state of drums at the moment.

as for the active (which is weaker now, since you can purge it off), i think that frequency of use is pretty important when you're considering it's value. like if spell's CD is close to/longer than the veil CD i don't think it's worth at all. the more frequently you can cast spells, the better the value pickup.

otherwise if you want armor, and the ability to team fight, i still think blademail is the superior choice. purge or not, they can just go on you and blow you up. your shiny stats are nice, but you're still a nature's prophet and game is quite hard when you get face rushed.
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