Well that's true. I think you should never be alone though, because the moment he sees you he will charge you. And if he carries dust and has enough levels, you really can't survive. If you're gonna split push, I think you should get to the lane with your Sblade, push the lane, and then get out with either TP or Boots of Travel immediately (to your fountain, so he will drop the charge). Once the charge drops, get to a relatively safe lane with your TP skill and then push it, then get out. Otherwise you'll probably get caught and die unless you overgear him a lot.

Limiting NP's movement severely limits what NP can do, that's what SB is really good for imo.

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

August 27 2013 00:05 GMT

#103

charge takes awhile to get to you and unless you have a black map with no wards you should be able to see him. hes not just going to wait in the darkness to charge you unless hes super determined to rape your face. id be more afraid of a nyx.

BigO

Sweden956 Posts

August 27 2013 00:26 GMT

#104

In those situations when you're up against a spirit breaker as their only ganker, would it be viable to get linkens on furion?

Noya

Uruguay11223 Posts

August 27 2013 00:36 GMT

#105

On August 27 2013 09:26 BigO wrote:
In those situations when you're up against a spirit breaker as their only ganker, would it be viable to get linkens on furion?

For that money you can get Necro3 or Hex which won't make you that susceptible to SB and are not useless items. Maybe after that, if they also have a Batrider/Rexxar, it might be legit.

boxman22

Canada430 Posts

August 27 2013 01:26 GMT

#106

When does linkens stop charge? Does he just never start charging?

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

August 27 2013 02:09 GMT

#107

its like every other spell, the spell casted goes on cd and nothing happens.

Archeon

3253 Posts

August 27 2013 04:01 GMT

#108

On August 27 2013 10:26 boxman22 wrote:
When does linkens stop charge? Does he just never start charging?

i am relatively sure that i have seen a linkens vs sb discussion where it was stated that spirit breaker can trade his charge for globally setting linkens on cd. So yes he never starts charging.

BigO

Sweden956 Posts

August 27 2013 14:02 GMT

#109

On August 27 2013 13:01 Blackfeather wrote:

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i am relatively sure that i have seen a linkens vs sb discussion where it was stated that spirit breaker can trade his charge for globally setting linkens on cd. So yes he never starts charging.

In the case of furion that shouldn't really be a problem, because if you are unsure where the rest of their team are, you should be careful with the splitpushing.

aintz

Canada5624 Posts

August 27 2013 15:08 GMT

#110

sb ss clock nyx off the top of my head creates some danger to furion but nothing too bad. just farm safely dont be overly greedy

DavoS

United States4605 Posts

November 19 2013 05:36 GMT

#111

Hi all, I watch way too much pro Dota to keep track of which game it was, but I remember a game where Liquid'qojqva went for this awesome glass cannon ganking prophet. At the 50 minute mark he was still murdering pretty much any hero. I remember the idea being that he rushed phase boots and just started chasing people down for early kills. It ended with him having items like maelstrom and deso. Does anyone happen to know the build/game I'm talking about? Would love to try that build out myself

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

May 05 2014 19:08 GMT

#112

Hey guys this deserves a bump because he is seeing a lot of play competitive again

Prophet should not jungle whenever possible -- he is a very strong offlaner and having a jungle gimps your safe lane. In pubs, even somewhat smart players will aggressive tri you and your team will lose. Don't jungle -- it isn't good.

Secondly, prophet is still very good at pulling the offlane wave and securing level 3. He has a great attack animation and base damage, and treants are amazing in 1v1 or 1v2 situations.

After a few levels and when your creep wave is pushed, prophet can recover in the jungle very well.

Let's talk about items -- stop going Midas first. You need phase boots. Phase boots give you great mobility and early game damage. You become a team fight force at 5 minutes and you can easily gank and win your other lanes. Played well, you can still secure a sub 10 min Midas.

After phase/Midas, you can get anything that your team needs. I think necro is overrated in most situations but it's still situationally good. 9/10 times, rushing Orchid or hex has very big impact. Again, as NP you can generally hit phase/Midas/hex around 20 mins, even in subpar situations.

The last thing I'll add is that a lot of people underestimate his carry potential. His advantage is that he gets 6 slotted faster than any other carry should. If you build DPS, make a bkb.

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

May 05 2014 19:22 GMT

#113

Surviving "counter picks" spiritbreAker/bh:

This is actually really important to learn playing solo q -- you'll get these forced picks often. And, played properly, prophet actually shuts down these "counterpicks".

1: don't jungle. Obvious reasons stated above, but this also prevents the shut-down bh tactics

2: Mek after phase. This is the best way to beat sb/bh. Instead of Midas, go straight Mek. You can have it around 10-11 mins. Mek gives you a bunch of stats and armor, and the burst heal destroys both sb and bh. It gives your team time to counter initiate and win the fight. With Mek, you become the initiator by bating them out.

Mek + teleport also saves anyone being gamed on by these roamers.

3: map awareness and team fights

Split pushing is still effective against these heroes, you just have to be smart. The entire reason split pushing is good is because you can easily manipulate the enemy team in to giving you a 5v4 team fight. Carry tp scrolls, DONT BUY SHADOWBLADE AGAINST THESE HEROES, instead get your hex up ASAP.

Hope this helps

barrykp

Ireland174 Posts

July 22 2014 18:16 GMT

#114

I used to always go power treads on this hero, but it seems phase boots have become more popular in the tournaments that I have watched. At TI4 Sylar went phase + Orchid, and Admiral Bulldog (I think) was going phase boots and then maelstrom + blink to split push.

My standard pub build was to get treads and then Dagon (no midas cause I'm impatient) and go ganking (prophet can split push with no items), but maybe Orchid might be a better bet?

Logo

United States7542 Posts

July 22 2014 18:24 GMT

#115

Well with dagon you always need to ask yourself who you can blow up with it that you can't otherwise. If you're not for sure getting the ability to kill at least a few enemy heroes instantly then there's probably no point in building it. It also needs to be pretty much from the dagon and the rest of your combo (so like dagon + ult) since you'll have absolutely nothing backing you up in terms of fighting, disables, or what have you (other than sprout of course). If you aren't able to blow up a bunch of heroes Orchid gives you a way to fight in a bunch of different capacities while also having better right click and still the ability to try and go 1v1.

Nomzter

Sweden2802 Posts

July 24 2014 10:58 GMT

#116

Recently I've been trying out the Power treads > maelstrom > blink build and it's been working out really well for me.

But my question is what do you guys think about Maelstrom vs midas? When is midas better? is it ever worth going something like treads>midas>maelstrom ?

Also when do you guys upgrade your maelstrom into a mjollnir? I usually get it after whatever item I get after blink.

Adrian_mx

Mexico1880 Posts

July 25 2014 00:27 GMT

#117

I was using blink on Furion and holy crap is it good, much better than SB. The ganking potential and the escape is awesome

paper

13196 Posts

July 25 2014 01:49 GMT

#118

phase boots is king on furion -- huge gank potential and doesnt delay your midas that much given you secure kills and towers. the extra damage will nearly guarantee the (flying) courier kill when you see it

basi + clarities (jungle obv) > phase > midas > orchid

you pretty much have to watch the mini map 24/7 though

ahw

Canada1099 Posts

July 25 2014 01:58 GMT

#119

yeah im still more of a fan of phase on furion. the burst movement is great for ganks to catch people with sprout. and the bonus damage early-midgame is pretty game breaking, i think.

i'd start brown boots over basi offlane though

KOFgokuon

United States14893 Posts

July 25 2014 02:59 GMT

#120

basi first offlane is asking to die