EPTand against spirit breaker, you gotta be map aware BUT if you play it right (not being ganked by sb) you actually get ahead in form against him then could 1v1
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icystorage
Jollibee19346 Posts
and against spirit breaker, you gotta be map aware BUT if you play it right (not being ganked by sb) you actually get ahead in form against him then could 1v1 | ||
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Aisikle
Australia30 Posts
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Noya
Uruguay11223 Posts
On August 03 2014 12:58 Aisikle wrote: Can someone please explain to me why high level (we're talking people who get matched against pro players) Prophets are going 4 nulls into Blademail? Someone on reddit mentioned that it was possibly to counter Tinker, but I'm not so sure. I've seen it outside of games with Tinker, but perhaps the players in those games were using this build without knowing its purpose. What does LiquidDota make of this? give match ID or dotabuff please I played with a Blademail+Treads+Bracers Furion once, it was a crazy yolo kamikaze build but it worked. | ||
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Aisikle
Australia30 Posts
On August 03 2014 15:26 Noya wrote: give match ID or dotabuff please I played with a Blademail+Treads+Bracers Furion once, it was a crazy yolo kamikaze build but it worked. http://dotabuff.com/matches/813656073 There's an example for you. The Enigma is Aui_2000 and the Alchemist is 1437. | ||
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barrykp
Ireland174 Posts
http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/the-annoying-np-not-so-well-known-style-5480 It maxes teleport first with the intention of going ganking all over the map. I haven't tried it I just found it with google. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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NeoRussia
Canada381 Posts
On August 03 2014 20:05 barrykp wrote: perhaps it has something to do with this build? http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/the-annoying-np-not-so-well-known-style-5480 It maxes teleport first with the intention of going ganking all over the map. I haven't tried it I just found it with google. That build is ridiculous. Stats over wrath and treants? Blademail into bkb and halberd? Treants at level 6? There is no way this is viable. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
anyone have experience playing as this or against this? | ||
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GtC
United States546 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
The whole mass nulls and blademail might be. Its an interesting build that probably has its merits. But thats items, as far as talents you still go same 1pt sprout and maxing treants and teleport with ulti whenever you can. On a side note: Bone7 went for this build against Navi in starladder yesterday. He did pretty well, although one game obviously means nothing. It was also probably a pretty good game for it (was against DP and Skywrath, blademail is a good item against both). PPDs comments (he was commentating) about the build was pretty funny. :D | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
ill check out that starladder game | ||
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hefty
Denmark555 Posts
On August 04 2014 04:32 NeoRussia wrote: That build is ridiculous. Stats over wrath and treants? Blademail into bkb and halberd? Treants at level 6? There is no way this is viable. It's pretty obvious that the build is take ulti at 6, 11, and 16. Do you think it actually advocates getting treants at 6, 11, and 16? Treants and wrath is of course switched around by mistake. Reading comprehension! You may very well question skipping treants, though. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On September 01 2014 18:15 Kreb wrote: Skipping treants and ulti is NOT legit. The whole mass nulls and blademail might be. Its an interesting build that probably has its merits. But thats items, as far as talents you still go same 1pt sprout and maxing treants and teleport with ulti whenever you can. On a side note: Bone7 went for this build against Navi in starladder yesterday. He did pretty well, although one game obviously means nothing. It was also probably a pretty good game for it (was against DP and Skywrath, blademail is a good item against both). PPDs comments (he was commentating) about the build was pretty funny. :D I watched the vod. To me Bone7 didnt have that much impact on this game, the whole C9 teamfights won this game. There's a Kawai-Fab5 game I watched earlier where the NP did have a tremendous impact on the early game (with K+A=18, 5+13 if I remember correctly, when his team was at 19 kills). | ||
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Aisikle
Australia30 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On September 02 2014 01:04 DucK- wrote: Instead of the extra null and blade mail, you could get a dagon instead. At least your burst isn't reliant on someone dumb enough to attack you. well yea but the idea is to use it as a counter to stuff like dp / skywrath / etc | ||
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On September 01 2014 21:26 Aisikle wrote: I agree with Furikawari. Bone7's impact was clearly not boosted much by the Nulls + Blademail. In fact, it was only after he bought Maelstrom that he was able to properly fight. Now I'm not saying this build has no place, unfortunately he got picked off 2-3 times after finishing his Blademail, so the whole early manning up thing didn't work out. ppd pointed out that the problem was bone7 didn't carry a tp scroll, and thus skywrath could just silence his tp. If bone7 had a tp, he just turns on blademail and tps out and skywrath cant do anything about it. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
in addition to the obvious countering fotm tinker/sky/etc... the other point is that you use the nulls -> ganks to get sorta ahead early, and then once you start pushing, you can push lanes pretty safe. heroes that can traditionally defend your push can no longer safely do so solo, and supports can't just nuke you down alone. also, if you can give your mid a kill, you can dive towers too and a 3 second sprout early on is pretty devastating after blademail, you can build as needed, cause you're prophet, but probably maelstrom is best/most common. idk, i tried meka after blademail one game, and it wasn't the greatest. i'm not really sure why the build said to go SnY and Halberd; situationally maybe halberd, but by the time that you have treads, blademail, mjorlnr, SNY isnt going to be the best item for your slot going later, and because you'll probably still holla holla get dolla you don't wanna sit on too many cheap items if you are already rolling, im a big fan of eblade-dagon though, gotta make use of that null talisman 0/10 would not use this build against legion commander, got wrecked | ||
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