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LemOn
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5-s
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34483 Posts
On August 29 2016 06:08 5-s wrote: You guys think the skill level of the 5 matters at all in competitive Dota? Is that why liquid and secret did so poorly, because they lacked skilled players? To be fair 5-s I do think skill matters a little bit But I do think bulba has it in him | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On August 29 2016 06:11 Firebolt145 wrote: To be fair 5-s I do think skill matters a little bit But I do think bulba has it in him Right but we're comparing different 8k players on the 5 position, as if the difference in skill level makes a big difference when their job is to tank smoke ganks and place wards. I'd much rather have someone who could read the game situation and communicate than someone who can make a huge play once every 20 games when they're not just a creep. | ||
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Anamorph
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On August 29 2016 06:16 5-s wrote: Right but we're comparing different 8k players on the 5 position, as if the difference in skill level makes a big difference when their job is to tank smoke ganks and place wards. I'd much rather have someone who could read the game situation and communicate than someone who can make a huge play once every 20 games when they're not just a creep. If you go with ppd, fly or ppy in navi, there is a lot more to do than what you descibed above.. if you go 5th with a defensive support you can easily ruin the game by not being able to play stuff like dazzle, oracle, sd... etc. And the skill of being able to predict movements.. yea in theory its awesome if you have someone that is good at it.. but why should someone rate bulba as this person. He gets caught so often in the offlane, just watch the secret games. He is only good with offlanes like darkseer - "shell, running back, shell running back". And all the teams he played with, if there was anyone that predicted the movement and this person was bulba, what have they achieved with this "insights"? I dont even remember one team he played in where the early game was stable and good. I followed bulba a lot, because I like the interviews and bulba as a person. But he does not belong in a top tier team and he had the chance to shine with the two of the best teams in the world, secret and eg. Both teams, before he joined won majors, then bulba+friends came and they placed last in each major. From a player perspective, I would be happy if he would be on the other team, just based on his success. But lets see, miracle was able to shine with a weak core next to him, lets see what he manages with a weak 5th. | ||
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LemOn
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hunter_x
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FO-nTTaX
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
On August 29 2016 07:12 hunter_x wrote: its not that bulba is super bad, but there a much better supports out there. and you want the best possible player in your team right? i dont mean in the secret all star way, but just a strong player who fits into the team. thats not bulba for sure. Definitely not Bulba. It would be a super downgrade. Especially at position 4 where Bulba didn't really play at all in his career. He can be a great coach but just not playing for tier 1 teams. | ||
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Porcupinathy
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On August 29 2016 12:07 Cybuster wrote: Definitely not Bulba. It would be a super downgrade. Especially at position 4 where Bulba didn't really play at all in his career. He can be a great coach but just not playing for tier 1 teams. He played support for Team Liquid at TI4, though admittedly that was quite a while ago. Personally, I would be perfectly happy about BuLba joining if that's what the players are comfortable with. I think people overvalue individual skill and undervalue teamwork and team cohesion, and he's definitely not a bad player. Anyway, we'll all look silly discussing this so much if this just just a rumor and they don't pick up BuLba  | ||
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Dysisa
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Anyway, that perception of position 5 players is unreal. It's not about making one play every 20 games, it's about being in a perfect position 20 times during every single game, and getting the most out of a hero that will die in 5 right clicks. | ||
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hunter_x
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Anamorph
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On August 29 2016 10:13 FO-nTTaX wrote: fwiw i would prefer having the team decide stuff like that, they probably know better than we from the outside :x Ye, thats what you can read in EG and Secret Thread too about bulba offlane ;-) | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6591 Posts
On August 29 2016 21:52 Anamorph wrote: Ye, thats what you can read in EG and Secret Thread too about bulba offlane ;-) I mean let's not kid ourselves here, Bulba was hardly the problem or the weakest link during TI on Secret. That team just didn't work at all and I don't think you can blame him for that lol. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
Anyway, I don't really know how well a team will work out, but from a purely subjective point of view it feels hard not to miss Jerax' flair and imagination. I'd also love to know if he was kicked or left himself, because from Blitz's description of his character he doesn't sound like somebody who would just up and leave. | ||
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zolasell
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
On August 29 2016 21:52 Anamorph wrote: Ye, thats what you can read in EG and Secret Thread too about bulba offlane ;-) Oh are we still pretending like Bulba wasn't the second best player on EG after Fear? | ||
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Anamorph
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On August 29 2016 23:26 zolasell wrote: MC used to be a pretty bad player too.MAYBE bulba just hasnt found his team yet ? MC got no professional career before playing with liquid. And he was awesome in those FPL, Faceit-Pro League stuff where he was discovered as a clockwork pro. There was no time he was BAD. There is still a time where he needs to improve in handling pressure on-stage. | ||
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On August 30 2016 01:18 Anamorph wrote: ? MC got no professional career before playing with liquid. And he was awesome in those FPL, Faceit-Pro League stuff where he was discovered as a clockwork pro. There was no time he was BAD. There is still a time where he needs to improve in handling pressure on-stage. When he was picked up by liquid he wasnt really that good though.clearly the weakest link of the team and a below average offlaner.NOW he is great and a player to look out for.not saying that the same think will happen with bulba infact i doupt it but we can never rule out the posibility | ||
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