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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 25 2016 18:51 GMT
#2581
On October 26 2016 03:50 NInoff wrote:
Even blogboys were a team...

No they weren't

Dude

This team is not as bad as blogboys

Blogboys was the worst fucking team holy shit

cut my fucking balls off.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
October 25 2016 18:53 GMT
#2582
On October 26 2016 03:50 LemOn wrote:
Yeah MC Timbersaur is not a thing
Yapzor showed us how much we miss Jerax too, his clock/ES were just amazing creating so much space.

Allowing Synderen to have the role Kuro used to have (besides going full retard and giving Jerax Warlock) - simple hero, allowing him to coordinate the team from that 5 position.

Bulba played well, really well timed graves etc. I liked his performance


I really want to see what the team would be like if Bulba and Kuro swapped roles.
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BasalGanglia
Profile Joined October 2015
31 Posts
October 25 2016 19:12 GMT
#2583
It feels like the current meta and the roster changes forced Kuro to try and play aggressive pos 4, but that just don't seem to be his strong point. It was painfully obvious in the last game against escape where the two jerax heroes Tusk and ES were matched against each other: the ES was dominating while the tusk did not really achieve anything. It really shows on the performance on liquids cores: there is not a whole lot you can do as a melee carry like sven or lifestealer if you are getting constantly chain stunned. Maybe there will be a new patch that shifts the meta to somehow more passive supporting and Liquid suddenly finds their game, but I suppose there won't be any patches before Boston qualifiers.
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
October 25 2016 19:14 GMT
#2584
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Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
October 25 2016 19:14 GMT
#2585
On October 26 2016 04:12 BasalGanglia wrote:
It feels like the current meta and the roster changes forced Kuro to try and play aggressive pos 4, but that just don't seem to be his strong point. It was painfully obvious in the last game against escape where the two jerax heroes Tusk and ES were matched against each other: the ES was dominating while the tusk did not really achieve anything. It really shows on the performance on liquids cores: there is not a whole lot you can do as a melee carry like sven or lifestealer if you are getting constantly chain stunned. Maybe there will be a new patch that shifts the meta to somehow more passive supporting and Liquid suddenly finds their game, but I suppose there won't be any patches before Boston qualifiers.

Maybe diretide patch hits this thursday, with the io arcana, and everything was a joke. (I wanna believe t.t)
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 25 2016 19:15 GMT
#2586
On October 26 2016 03:50 NInoff wrote:
Even blogboys were a team...


blogboys were dominant for the first 2 months until the anti-Alliance patch
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
October 25 2016 19:16 GMT
#2587
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 25 2016 19:56 GMT
#2588
Seriously how is anyone watching the games still blaming bulba for this? All three cores are shitting the bed and their drafting is awful, but surely kicking bulba will fix this lamo
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 25 2016 20:04 GMT
#2589
On October 26 2016 04:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Seriously how is anyone watching the games still blaming bulba for this? All three cores are shitting the bed and their drafting is awful, but surely kicking bulba will fix this lamo

We were praising him mate, you're in the wrong thread it seems xD
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
xyres
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada42 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-25 21:10:46
October 25 2016 21:03 GMT
#2590
I Think they need to let bulba play the 4 pos jerax role. I mean that's what he has experience with, being a former offlaner. It feels to me like kuro almost doesn't trust him with those playmaking heroes. In which case why pick him up in the first place. Unless bulba is making the calls in the game. Which doesn't make sense to me, and if he is its not working and they should switch back to kuro. Who's not performing very well on the playmaking heroes anyway.

Edit: I should clarify when I say he has experience. I mean with playmaking skill shot based heroes that don't require much farm that offlaners usually play.
common_cider
Profile Joined July 2011
342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-26 02:48:55
October 25 2016 21:08 GMT
#2591
This team is likely to be wrecked by Secret, VP, Escape, F5 iN Boston Major Quals. After that, we Need changes

On the bright side
1, this team is not gg'ing early. they fight it out to the end.
2. They have plenty of heroes and strategies to play.
3. They still have time and the will power to get better

As a pessimist.
1. Liquid has been below average since 6.88b. 8-12 at Ti6, and now this team.
2. They looked overmatched by Europe's best.
3. There is no clear solutions to their problems vs Secret, Escape, VP, etc
Never eat at a chinese restraunt located by the pound
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
October 26 2016 00:48 GMT
#2592
On October 26 2016 04:56 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Seriously how is anyone watching the games still blaming bulba for this? All three cores are shitting the bed and their drafting is awful, but surely kicking bulba will fix this lamo

It's the tremendous mental pressure having to carry Bulba that caused them to underperform.

I can guarantee it.

:^)
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
October 26 2016 06:06 GMT
#2593
On October 26 2016 06:03 xyres wrote:
I Think they need to let bulba play the 4 pos jerax role. I mean that's what he has experience with, being a former offlaner. It feels to me like kuro almost doesn't trust him with those playmaking heroes. In which case why pick him up in the first place. Unless bulba is making the calls in the game. Which doesn't make sense to me, and if he is its not working and they should switch back to kuro. Who's not performing very well on the playmaking heroes anyway.

Edit: I should clarify when I say he has experience. I mean with playmaking skill shot based heroes that don't require much farm that offlaners usually play.


+1 on that. Their biggest weakness has been in game shot calling. Its clear that Kuro can not create space and watch the entire map to make the right call. One LAN tournament left for the winter to qualify - Boston major. Last shot to make it right.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 26 2016 06:42 GMT
#2594
Why did Kuro begin to draft again? Didn't it get better when Miracle drafted?
brinepumps
Profile Joined February 2015
Indonesia753 Posts
October 26 2016 06:45 GMT
#2595
I get the same strange feeling/hunch for this team as I was with Secret RTZ-Envy.
It's like watching my wife park my car. I love her with all my heart and I know she was doing her best, but it's just didn't work out and extremely painful to watch

"if you don't believe you can do it, then you have no chance at all" - Arsene Wenger
TurboNash
Profile Joined August 2015
36 Posts
October 26 2016 08:45 GMT
#2596
On October 26 2016 15:45 brinepumps wrote:
I get the same strange feeling/hunch for this team as I was with Secret RTZ-Envy.
It's like watching my wife park my car. I love her with all my heart and I know she was doing her best, but it's just didn't work out and extremely painful to watch



True and we might have to watch them through the Boston Major. Jerax on EG on the other hand has shown that he could replace PPD as a drafter. Miracle is great game turning player but i don't see the team work out so far.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 26 2016 08:53 GMT
#2597
On October 26 2016 17:45 TurboNash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 15:45 brinepumps wrote:
I get the same strange feeling/hunch for this team as I was with Secret RTZ-Envy.
It's like watching my wife park my car. I love her with all my heart and I know she was doing her best, but it's just didn't work out and extremely painful to watch



True and we might have to watch them through the Boston Major. Jerax on EG on the other hand has shown that he could replace PPD as a drafter. Miracle is great game turning player but i don't see the team work out so far.

Cr1t is on EG. Jerax is on OG and isn't drafting.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-26 09:14:03
October 26 2016 09:12 GMT
#2598
On October 26 2016 15:42 Racket wrote:
Why did Kuro begin to draft again? Didn't it get better when Miracle drafted?

Miracle didn't draft, just had the icon that series other guys were calling the heroes mostly.

Doubt he could draft anyways well
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
October 26 2016 11:00 GMT
#2599
On October 26 2016 18:12 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2016 15:42 Racket wrote:
Why did Kuro begin to draft again? Didn't it get better when Miracle drafted?

Miracle didn't draft, just had the icon that series other guys were calling the heroes mostly.

Doubt he could draft anyways well

Poor Miracle, he seems to be a blond pretty girl...
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-10-26 12:24:33
October 26 2016 12:23 GMT
#2600
Im back guys, sno-man did ban me for 10 days for no reason at all. Guess nobody missed me;)
Every time they have another series, i hope they perform better, but against escape they looked so bad. No improvement whatsoever. Im like 95% sure they will not qualify for boston. Well bulba is not the problem, but he also is the problem, if that makes sense. We need a roaming 4, and not a guy who only plays deffensive supports. Kuro obviously has problems with playing 4 role, and being the captain at the same time. So i really dont see what bulba brings to the team...bring jerax back, or get someone like yapzor or dj, then the team will be fine, im sure of it.
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