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On March 31 2018 20:06 Minishield wrote:
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso.
Now that's just ridiculous. Disband and do what? Aside from interpersonal problems there's no reason for them to disband now. Where would they go to? Sure, if you try a new team and it doesn't work out, you disband. But this team was at the top of the scene for 2 years with (most of) these players. Until after TI it's immensely unlikely to find/found a team with better players. Yes, they are doing abysmal against the top teams, but at least they're still qualifying. That's more than can be said for any team they could possibly be joining.
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On March 30 2018 16:56 LemOn wrote:
Ana's not your saviour really,
And there's this thing looming over him of not honoring his agreement with Wobbly
They clearly need a heavy farming, Miracle style carry player capable of going mid or safelane, strong with tempo control and aggression
And the other core of also being able to bring the farm when necessary along with playing enabling heroes
N0tail just isn't that kind of player
But where can he go?
Fly is the Captain
Jerax is still on another leves as 4
S4 is doing well in the offlane
And you don't want to split Fly and n0tai, they have been instrumental for OG because of their great chemistry.
Feels like slow death until a big patc comes and meta changes again
I think it really depends on the 5th player and 7mad won't be the solution. They need new ideas and arguably they have been playing with 7mad for years now. Ana might not be the solution either but at the very least he was able to make the most out of the space given and was insanely good at fighting. It's not like the skill of the players is the problem- they just don't have a formula that works (and that has been the case for a long time, even at the end of the Ana era) anymore. What it comes down to is this: OG need a Miracle (in every sense of the word). Obviously that might just be too much to ask and their downward trend could continue. I like however that they seem to be experimenting again- new hero combos and strategies. Naturally that means back to the drawing board and possibly a long time without any major success.
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On March 31 2018 23:44 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2018 20:06 Minishield wrote:
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso. Now that's just ridiculous. Disband and do what? Aside from interpersonal problems there's no reason for them to disband now. Where would they go to? Sure, if you try a new team and it doesn't work out, you disband. But this team was at the top of the scene for 2 years with (most of) these players. Until after TI it's immensely unlikely to find/found a team with better players. Yes, they are doing abysmal against the top teams, but at least they're still qualifying. That's more than can be said for any team they could possibly be joining.
Yea they were the top team for a long time, they are not anymore and for a long time too, it's pretty clear that this stack doesn't work anymore, so yea why not disband, players like Jerax and S4 could find for sure other good teams with probably very good chances of qualifying for TI (since OG too will have to go for open qualifiers). The point is i have no faith anymore in this team, cause it's clearly not a problem about patch, or meta, the problem is that they are just playing bad, making too many mistakes, you want to say that Notail dying almost every game totally out of position is patch fault? (Tiny in the last tournament for example, going for courier failing miserably and dying without buyback) Laning poorly is patch fault too? S4 that walk 3 times in a row in the same sentry? Fly putting Notail solo mid vs Miracle hoping he doesn't get crushed and proceed to loose the game to a freefarm TB?
Cmon man OG fans (the few that are left) just don't want to admit that (right now i mean) they can't be considered good players, they are playing mechanically and strategically bad, cause those mistakes are pretty clear to everyone, even casters said many times that they seems totally lost most of the times.
They have the potential to be the top team again? Yes, but not with this composition anymore i think.
EDIT: also, you don't want to disband cause you are friends or some other reason? Cool, swap roles, try a different approach, Notail is not performing on the carry role, try him offlane (since he play already most of the offlane heroes). Instead they still hope that someday he will win a lane vs any other player (and he rarely does)
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On April 01 2018 00:24 Minishield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2018 23:44 nothingmuch wrote:On March 31 2018 20:06 Minishield wrote:
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso. Now that's just ridiculous. Disband and do what? Aside from interpersonal problems there's no reason for them to disband now. Where would they go to? Sure, if you try a new team and it doesn't work out, you disband. But this team was at the top of the scene for 2 years with (most of) these players. Until after TI it's immensely unlikely to find/found a team with better players. Yes, they are doing abysmal against the top teams, but at least they're still qualifying. That's more than can be said for any team they could possibly be joining. Yea they were the top team for a long time, they are not anymore and for a long time too, it's pretty clear that this stack doesn't work anymore, so yea why not disband, players like Jerax and S4 could find for sure other good teams with probably very good chances of qualifying for TI (since OG too will have to go for open qualifiers). The point is i have no faith anymore in this team, cause it's clearly not a problem about patch, or meta, the problem is that they are just playing bad, making too many mistakes, you want to say that Notail dying almost every game totally out of position is patch fault? (Tiny in the last tournament for example, going for courier failing miserably and dying without buyback) Laning poorly is patch fault too? S4 that walk 3 times in a row in the same sentry? Fly putting Notail solo mid vs Miracle hoping he doesn't get crushed and proceed to loose the game to a freefarm TB? Cmon man OG fans (the few that are left) just don't want to admit that (right now i mean) they can't be considered good players, they are playing mechanically and strategically bad, cause those mistakes are pretty clear to everyone, even casters said many times that they seems totally lost most of the times. They have the potential to be the top team again? Yes, but not with this composition anymore i think. EDIT: also, you don't want to disband cause you are friends or some other reason? Cool, swap roles, try a different approach, Notail is not performing on the carry role, try him offlane (since he play already most of the offlane heroes). Instead they still hope that someday he will win a lane vs any other player (and he rarely does)
I don't really get your point. Yes sure they are worse than what they were back in the day before TI7, but to straight out say that they are bad players is a stretch. They still seem to crush every single tier 2/3 team they meet. But have no idea how to fight against tier 1 teams, and from what I have seen the past few months, people also know this, like they have chance against real tier 1 teams. But I don't see how they are bad. I personally just think they are in a rough spot right now, and they have no idea how to turn this around. I think they are tilting over not being some of the greatest, and not knowing exactly how to change that.
But that's just my opinion.
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On April 01 2018 00:24 Minishield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2018 23:44 nothingmuch wrote:On March 31 2018 20:06 Minishield wrote:
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso. Now that's just ridiculous. Disband and do what? Aside from interpersonal problems there's no reason for them to disband now. Where would they go to? Sure, if you try a new team and it doesn't work out, you disband. But this team was at the top of the scene for 2 years with (most of) these players. Until after TI it's immensely unlikely to find/found a team with better players. Yes, they are doing abysmal against the top teams, but at least they're still qualifying. That's more than can be said for any team they could possibly be joining. Yea they were the top team for a long time, they are not anymore and for a long time too, it's pretty clear that this stack doesn't work anymore, so yea why not disband, players like Jerax and S4 could find for sure other good teams with probably very good chances of qualifying for TI (since OG too will have to go for open qualifiers). The point is i have no faith anymore in this team, cause it's clearly not a problem about patch, or meta, the problem is that they are just playing bad, making too many mistakes, you want to say that Notail dying almost every game totally out of position is patch fault? (Tiny in the last tournament for example, going for courier failing miserably and dying without buyback) Laning poorly is patch fault too? S4 that walk 3 times in a row in the same sentry? Fly putting Notail solo mid vs Miracle hoping he doesn't get crushed and proceed to loose the game to a freefarm TB? Cmon man OG fans (the few that are left) just don't want to admit that (right now i mean) they can't be considered good players, they are playing mechanically and strategically bad, cause those mistakes are pretty clear to everyone, even casters said many times that they seems totally lost most of the times. They have the potential to be the top team again? Yes, but not with this composition anymore i think. EDIT: also, you don't want to disband cause you are friends or some other reason? Cool, swap roles, try a different approach, Notail is not performing on the carry role, try him offlane (since he play already most of the offlane heroes). Instead they still hope that someday he will win a lane vs any other player (and he rarely does)
1) What team, that could be considered an "upgrade" (aka tier1) would seriously throw away their dcp points now to get someone like Jerax or S4 on the team? That's just stupid.
2) "Being lost" or playing "strategically bad" and "making mistakes" is not a function of player skill but of (meta)game understanding and form/team chemistry. You can't "fix" this by changing a player or position.
3) Not disbanding has nothing to do with friendship (although team chemistry certainly does), it's just a terrible move right now. If things keep going like this for OG even with a new mid player (I assume they're looking) you can be sure they will make drastic changes. After TI.
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EDIT: also, you don't want to disband cause you are friends or some other reason? Cool, swap roles, try a different approach, Notail is not performing on the carry role, try him offlane (since he play already most of the offlane heroes). Instead they still hope that someday he will win a lane vs any other player (and he rarely does)
I have been thinking the same thing about N0tail in offlane.
Bit tired about people talking about N0tail as the main problem, think the supports are preforming very bad at the moment, putting so little pressure on the enemy in the lanning stage that OG always loss it, its easy to point fingers at the carries, but a big part of the problem is Jerax that is playing bad at the moment, think is Dark Willow first matching is the worst i ever seen him and among worst performances in the tournament.
The whole team seems disjointed and think much of the problem could be solved with hard work at fundamentals like gank patterns and protection, so they could look like more of a team. The only thing they are good at right now is holding on to lead and turning it into win.
Hope they take time to find right new core and lineup and then put in the time and effort to make it work.
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On April 01 2018 04:10 nothingmuch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2018 00:24 Minishield wrote:On March 31 2018 23:44 nothingmuch wrote:On March 31 2018 20:06 Minishield wrote:
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso. Now that's just ridiculous. Disband and do what? Aside from interpersonal problems there's no reason for them to disband now. Where would they go to? Sure, if you try a new team and it doesn't work out, you disband. But this team was at the top of the scene for 2 years with (most of) these players. Until after TI it's immensely unlikely to find/found a team with better players. Yes, they are doing abysmal against the top teams, but at least they're still qualifying. That's more than can be said for any team they could possibly be joining. Yea they were the top team for a long time, they are not anymore and for a long time too, it's pretty clear that this stack doesn't work anymore, so yea why not disband, players like Jerax and S4 could find for sure other good teams with probably very good chances of qualifying for TI (since OG too will have to go for open qualifiers). The point is i have no faith anymore in this team, cause it's clearly not a problem about patch, or meta, the problem is that they are just playing bad, making too many mistakes, you want to say that Notail dying almost every game totally out of position is patch fault? (Tiny in the last tournament for example, going for courier failing miserably and dying without buyback) Laning poorly is patch fault too? S4 that walk 3 times in a row in the same sentry? Fly putting Notail solo mid vs Miracle hoping he doesn't get crushed and proceed to loose the game to a freefarm TB? Cmon man OG fans (the few that are left) just don't want to admit that (right now i mean) they can't be considered good players, they are playing mechanically and strategically bad, cause those mistakes are pretty clear to everyone, even casters said many times that they seems totally lost most of the times. They have the potential to be the top team again? Yes, but not with this composition anymore i think. EDIT: also, you don't want to disband cause you are friends or some other reason? Cool, swap roles, try a different approach, Notail is not performing on the carry role, try him offlane (since he play already most of the offlane heroes). Instead they still hope that someday he will win a lane vs any other player (and he rarely does) 1) What team, that could be considered an "upgrade" (aka tier1) would seriously throw away their dcp points now to get someone like Jerax or S4 on the team? That's just stupid. 2) "Being lost" or playing "strategically bad" and "making mistakes" is not a function of player skill but of (meta)game understanding and form/team chemistry. You can't "fix" this by changing a player or position. 3) Not disbanding has nothing to do with friendship (although team chemistry certainly does), it's just a terrible move right now. If things keep going like this for OG even with a new mid player (I assume they're looking) you can be sure they will make drastic changes. After TI.
Maybe was not clear in my first post (it's not provocative, i'm not english so i can't espress myself really well). For the first point i feel like the team is in so bad shape right now, that i'm not saying that Jerax or S4 should find a T1 team, cause of course no team will throw away their point for that reason, i'm saying that probably if they form a stack with other players that right now will have to go through open qualifiers (i don't know like players from PENTA, ML or any other T2 team available right now that has no point so they give no f**** about dcp), they will have better chance of not only qualifying, but even do better at TI itself, that remaining in OG (of course my opinion). There are a lot of good players in T2 teams that can come together to form a competitive stack, that's why i'm saying that S4 or Jerax could make a stack with other players that could be an upgrade for them (i talk only about S4 and Jerax cause they are the only 2 that are not somehow related to the organization itself as far as i know).
For the second point i disagree, being out of position has nothing to do with metagame, you can be caught out of position in any patch, also doing stuff like trying to snipe a courier in the middle of two enemy cores while you have no buyback is just stupid, there's no game or patch understanding (it's dota 101 and they are pro players, even at 2k mmr you know that you don't do that), it's a supid decision and they have been doing this kind of mistakes for almost a year, that has nothing to do with team chemistry or anything else
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So players in teams that OG routinely crush are better/ have better chances at TI than the players on OG ? Makes no sense to me.
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Dunno what OG are going to do. Their drafting is really bad, almost always lose every lane. Notail cant seem to decide whether he is the farming carry or the roaming ganker - he needs to let s4, fly and jerax create the space and just farm, but he is constantly tp'ing around instead of farming.
Mad isnt bad as such, but he is not the answer mid. They basically need to find the next miracle to bring some synergy to their lineup.
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Currently, OG is the third best team in EU (top 2 is "obviously" Liquid and Secret).
If OG is confident about the TI open qualifier (and with no other real challenger in EU, they probably are), they won't change their roster (or maybe just add a mid so 7mad can be the coach).
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On April 02 2018 03:19 PandaRed wrote:
Currently, OG is the third best team in EU (top 2 is "obviously" Liquid and Secret).
If OG is confident about the TI open qualifier (and with no other real challenger in EU, they probably are), they won't change their roster (or maybe just add a mid so 7mad can be the coach).
When you say OG is top 3 EU, that acually makes them sound like a good team, which they are not. but i do agree, if no other team steps it up, they will most likely win the open qualifier. I still think Mad is not good enough, but with no other strong mid player available he will have to do.
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Well, after the horrible mistake of releasing Reso, and losing all the points it is to late for anything else. One thing left to do - win the qualifiers. And i am starting to doubt that they can, as Synd / qojqva new team has a lot of potential, they just need a little time to play better togheter.
And even if they can qualify, a top 12 is the best they can hope for. And i am pretty sure noone on the team will be satisfied with that.
So i agree on Minishield on that - something has to change, I still think that releasing your best player was a mistake. I mean they kind of like to play the 4p1 strat, with split pushing elements, and you need a very good player to carry you for that.
But they seem to love doing that, thank god they let Miracle go to Liquid.
All of them have the brains, and the experience to find out whats best for them, and im pretty sure that we will see a desigion very soon.
Whatever happens good luck to all of them!
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And there it is - the nerf to deathball is a buff to Og, I told you they just had to wait for a patch
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i think the patch extends the ability to take closer fights (from behind) for another 5 minutes, which obviously influences the next portion of the game, but i don't think it makes OG better. they're picking heroes that don't work or they're playing their current staple heroes (TB, etc.) at a lower skill level than the rest of the competition.
there's no longer a move that this team can make that is hard to digest.
they're playing more along the lines of na'vi, but with weaker lanes due to supports and a lack of a better mid. and no, notail playing mid does not make it better.
previously there was a way to play splitpushing carries/cores to extend the game, now there is much stronger momentum involving warding and repeated fights. that naga/enigma style is not going to work again, alchemist will not work again, putting all the eggs in say an invoker or TA basket is also not going to work.
at least until the trend changes and OG finds a way to play it.
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I wonder why OG does not pick up a good space creating midlaner? Everyone looks at who was hot in the last tournament as the only relevant factor, like either we get Miracle/NoOne, or we are doomed to be tier 3.
There are plenty of talented players out there who could do really well in the right team. Why did'nt OG pick up W33 for instance? Fnatic is not doing so hot either, I think Abed could be interested. Limmp is another undervalued midplayer that I think could do great if he could find his way into a top team and given the state of complexity I dont think it is so far fetched. Just to mention a few.
Anyway I think it is weird.. cant imagine that they are going to keep playing with the current lineup.
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Fnatic is doing a lot better than OG lately but sure, Abed would be great for the Team. But would he really want to be on OG with how they've been doing lately? Keep in mind that OGs major attraction is their fame/ the prospect of winning with these veteran players. Money wise they're probably in a different league than the current top tier teams (as evidenced by Cr1t leaving for more money). Limmp is also a shaky candidate- he's been great on Complexity, but he has also been pretty terrible on other teams (one of the 500 Alliance iterations iirc).
Assuming they want to stick together after TI I think their best shot is with a young newcomer like Miracle and Ana were (and Abed). Those kind of players still need to prove themselves, so their market value/expectations would be low and they could benefit most from the vast amount of experience in OG.
But that's a big "if". I think Winter said something along the lines of "they have problems in their team" last major. Now while that's pretty vague and I'm neither sure if English is Winters first language, nor if he was referring to the present or talking about the (at that point) bygone Reso situation but the possibility of internal conflict is certainly significant (and unsurprising considering how accustomed to success these players are and how they've been doing lately). It's also fairly evident in their in game coordination I think. IF that really is the case a post TI disband/massive change is certainly pretty likely and the missing 5th player just a minor distraction.
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On April 17 2018 22:04 nothingmuch wrote:
Fnatic is doing a lot better than OG lately but sure, Abed would be great for the Team. But would he really want to be on OG with how they've been doing lately? Keep in mind that OGs major attraction is their fame/ the prospect of winning with these veteran players. Money wise they're probably in a different league than the current top tier teams (as evidenced by Cr1t leaving for more money). Limmp is also a shaky candidate- he's been great on Complexity, but he has also been pretty terrible on other teams (one of the 500 Alliance iterations iirc).
Assuming they want to stick together after TI I think their best shot is with a young newcomer like Miracle and Ana were (and Abed). Those kind of players still need to prove themselves, so their market value/expectations would be low and they could benefit most from the vast amount of experience in OG.
But that's a big "if". I think Winter said something along the lines of "they have problems in their team" last major. Now while that's pretty vague and I'm neither sure if English is Winters first language, nor if he was referring to the present or talking about the (at that point) bygone Reso situation but the possibility of internal conflict is certainly significant (and unsurprising considering how accustomed to success these players are and how they've been doing lately). It's also fairly evident in their in game coordination I think. IF that really is the case a post TI disband/massive change is certainly pretty likely and the missing 5th player just a minor distraction.
Yeah I suppose if there is an upcoming tier 1 caliber player that they can recruit that would be great, but this is rather uncertain prospect. About Limmp, I think he is undervalued. Did he win when he played on Allicance, no, but he kept that sinking ship floating better than what most could have done.
I think to pick up Limmp could be a win-win situation. Sure OG might be able to crawl themselves into TI, since they are blessed to be in a region were there is an abyss of skill between the top teams and everyone else, but top 8 in TI is a fantasy with the current performance. Complexity is in a similar position. They look bad and both Optic and EG are on the rise, doubt they will make it in a qualifier if they have fight either of those teams and there are others as well of course.
This boat aint going anywhere but down so why not test your luck?
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On April 19 2018 05:31 267 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2018 22:04 nothingmuch wrote:
Fnatic is doing a lot better than OG lately but sure, Abed would be great for the Team. But would he really want to be on OG with how they've been doing lately? Keep in mind that OGs major attraction is their fame/ the prospect of winning with these veteran players. Money wise they're probably in a different league than the current top tier teams (as evidenced by Cr1t leaving for more money). Limmp is also a shaky candidate- he's been great on Complexity, but he has also been pretty terrible on other teams (one of the 500 Alliance iterations iirc).
Assuming they want to stick together after TI I think their best shot is with a young newcomer like Miracle and Ana were (and Abed). Those kind of players still need to prove themselves, so their market value/expectations would be low and they could benefit most from the vast amount of experience in OG.
But that's a big "if". I think Winter said something along the lines of "they have problems in their team" last major. Now while that's pretty vague and I'm neither sure if English is Winters first language, nor if he was referring to the present or talking about the (at that point) bygone Reso situation but the possibility of internal conflict is certainly significant (and unsurprising considering how accustomed to success these players are and how they've been doing lately). It's also fairly evident in their in game coordination I think. IF that really is the case a post TI disband/massive change is certainly pretty likely and the missing 5th player just a minor distraction. Yeah I suppose if there is an upcoming tier 1 caliber player that they can recruit that would be great, but this is rather uncertain prospect. About Limmp I still think he is undervalued. Did he win when he played on Allicance, no, but he kept that sinking ship floating better than what most could have done. There was many games when I watched where i felt outright sorry for the guy. Anyway I think to pick up Limmp could be a win-win situation. Sure OG might be able to crawl themselves into TI, since they are blessed to be in a region were there is an abyss of skill between the top teams and everyone else, but top 8 in TI is a fantasy with the current performance. Complexity is in a similar position. They look bad and both Optic and EG are on the rise, doubt they will make it in a qualifier if they have fight either of those teams and there are others as well of course. This boat aint going anywhere but down so why not test your luck?
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[QUOTE]On April 19 2018 05:33 267 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 19 2018 05:31 267 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 17 2018 22:04 nothingmuch wrote:
Fnatic is doing a lot better than OG lately but sure, Abed would be great for the Team. But would he really want to be on OG with how they've been doing lately? Keep in mind that OGs major attraction is their fame/ the prospect of winning with these veteran players. Money wise they're probably in a different league than the current top tier teams (as evidenced by Cr1t leaving for more money). Limmp is also a shaky candidate- he's been great on Complexity, but he has also been pretty terrible on other teams (one of the 500 Alliance iterations iirc).
Assuming they want to stick together after TI I think their best shot is with a young newcomer like Miracle and Ana were (and Abed). Those kind of players still need to prove themselves, so their market value/expectations would be low and they could benefit most from the vast amount of experience in OG.
But that's a big "if". I think Winter said something along the lines of "they have problems in their team" last major. Now while that's pretty vague and I'm neither sure if English is Winters first language, nor if he was referring to the present or talking about the (at that point) bygone Reso situation but the possibility of internal conflict is certainly significant (and unsurprising considering how accustomed to success these players are and how they've been doing lately). It's also fairly evident in their in game coordination I think. IF that really is the case a post TI disband/massive change is certainly pretty likely and the missing 5th player just a minor distraction.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I suppose if there is an upcoming tier 1 caliber player that they can recruit that would be great, but this is rather uncertain prospect. About Limmp I still think he is undervalued. Did he win when he played on Allicance, no, but he kept that sinking ship floating better than what most could have done. There was many games when I watched where i felt outright sorry for the guy.
Anyway I think to pick up Limmp could be a win-win situation. Sure OG might be able to crawl themselves into TI, since they are blessed to be in a region were there is an abyss of skill between the top teams and everyone else, but top 8 in TI is a fantasy with the current performance. Complexity is in a similar position. They look bad and both Optic and EG are on the rise, doubt they will make it in a qualifier if they have fight either of those teams and there are others as well of course.
This boat aint going anywhere but down so why not test your luck?
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In the first official matches since DAC, it appears Seb is playing pos 3. We'll see if that stays there, but they looked a whole lot better that way.
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