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Dison92
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark142 Posts
March 08 2018 23:23 GMT
#961
On March 09 2018 08:14 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 23:31 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:43 jack_knife wrote:
you need second core to finish the game, not space creater carry.


Let me get this straight: a Lycan was a "space creater carry" and not a "core". I don't even know what to say.

come on... you look that lycan show, look the damage he did and the networth he got. you tell me that was a carry. the last fight was a disaster, he literally straight went to warlock, who already used ult... almost every og's game, watching notail's networth, i feel like watching a position 4 or position 5 farmer creating space for other guys.


I think it's incredible that people keep saying that he has already used the rock, when you clearly sees him dropping it a second before he dies.. And the rock was on CD in the previous fight, so I don't see how he should have used it between those do engagements.

But go on ahead, and use points that aren't actually valid.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-09 10:08:00
March 09 2018 10:02 GMT
#962
On March 09 2018 08:14 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2018 23:31 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:43 jack_knife wrote:
you need second core to finish the game, not space creater carry.


Let me get this straight: a Lycan was a "space creater carry" and not a "core". I don't even know what to say.

come on... you look that lycan show, look the damage he did and the networth he got. you tell me that was a carry. the last fight was a disaster, he literally straight went to warlock, who already used ult... almost every og's game, watching notail's networth, i feel like watching a position 4 or position 5 farmer creating space for other guys.


I'm not sure you even really know the meaning of these words. For example "core" simply refers to anybody that isn't a support. It refers to farm allocation not actual farm. If a core doesn't get farm for whatever reason, he's still a core. But even if we ignore Notail completely your statement doesn't make any sense because S4 and Reso are already 2 cores.

The meaning of "Space creating carry" is slightly more vague but again you seem to have hardly any understanding of the concept. "Space creating carry" refers to carries that (can) fight early and farm little/ get their networth from hero kills and while a Lycan certainly can fight early, he's usually picked for (solo) pushing towers, kinda like Dp. Obviously pushing/killing towers also creates space, but again your usage of the term is way off because if you define it more loosely then every team has a space creating carry. There's just not enough safe farm on the map for it to be any different- you will always have one core that takes more and safer farm than the rest of the cores/team.

This mindless criticism seems pretty silly to me when in the very game you're talking about they came within a hairs breadth of beating what is considered by many (one of) the best team(s) in the world. I guess it's just the typical Notail flamer syndrome that has even been going on during their major run. Carry on.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 09 2018 12:48 GMT
#963
On March 09 2018 19:02 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 08:14 jack_knife wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:31 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:43 jack_knife wrote:
you need second core to finish the game, not space creater carry.


Let me get this straight: a Lycan was a "space creater carry" and not a "core". I don't even know what to say.

come on... you look that lycan show, look the damage he did and the networth he got. you tell me that was a carry. the last fight was a disaster, he literally straight went to warlock, who already used ult... almost every og's game, watching notail's networth, i feel like watching a position 4 or position 5 farmer creating space for other guys.


I'm not sure you even really know the meaning of these words. For example "core" simply refers to anybody that isn't a support. It refers to farm allocation not actual farm. If a core doesn't get farm for whatever reason, he's still a core. But even if we ignore Notail completely your statement doesn't make any sense because S4 and Reso are already 2 cores.

The meaning of "Space creating carry" is slightly more vague but again you seem to have hardly any understanding of the concept. "Space creating carry" refers to carries that (can) fight early and farm little/ get their networth from hero kills and while a Lycan certainly can fight early, he's usually picked for (solo) pushing towers, kinda like Dp. Obviously pushing/killing towers also creates space, but again your usage of the term is way off because if you define it more loosely then every team has a space creating carry. There's just not enough safe farm on the map for it to be any different- you will always have one core that takes more and safer farm than the rest of the cores/team.

This mindless criticism seems pretty silly to me when in the very game you're talking about they came within a hairs breadth of beating what is considered by many (one of) the best team(s) in the world. I guess it's just the typical Notail flamer syndrome that has even been going on during their major run. Carry on.

Let me give you a hand, an example of a space creating carry is Puck.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
March 09 2018 13:18 GMT
#964
On March 09 2018 21:48 Racket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 19:02 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 09 2018 08:14 jack_knife wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:31 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:43 jack_knife wrote:
you need second core to finish the game, not space creater carry.


Let me get this straight: a Lycan was a "space creater carry" and not a "core". I don't even know what to say.

come on... you look that lycan show, look the damage he did and the networth he got. you tell me that was a carry. the last fight was a disaster, he literally straight went to warlock, who already used ult... almost every og's game, watching notail's networth, i feel like watching a position 4 or position 5 farmer creating space for other guys.


I'm not sure you even really know the meaning of these words. For example "core" simply refers to anybody that isn't a support. It refers to farm allocation not actual farm. If a core doesn't get farm for whatever reason, he's still a core. But even if we ignore Notail completely your statement doesn't make any sense because S4 and Reso are already 2 cores.

The meaning of "Space creating carry" is slightly more vague but again you seem to have hardly any understanding of the concept. "Space creating carry" refers to carries that (can) fight early and farm little/ get their networth from hero kills and while a Lycan certainly can fight early, he's usually picked for (solo) pushing towers, kinda like Dp. Obviously pushing/killing towers also creates space, but again your usage of the term is way off because if you define it more loosely then every team has a space creating carry. There's just not enough safe farm on the map for it to be any different- you will always have one core that takes more and safer farm than the rest of the cores/team.

This mindless criticism seems pretty silly to me when in the very game you're talking about they came within a hairs breadth of beating what is considered by many (one of) the best team(s) in the world. I guess it's just the typical Notail flamer syndrome that has even been going on during their major run. Carry on.

Let me give you a hand, an example of a space creating carry is Puck.


What's your point?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 09 2018 17:24 GMT
#965
On March 09 2018 22:18 nothingmuch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2018 21:48 Racket wrote:
On March 09 2018 19:02 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 09 2018 08:14 jack_knife wrote:
On March 08 2018 23:31 nothingmuch wrote:
On March 08 2018 07:43 jack_knife wrote:
you need second core to finish the game, not space creater carry.


Let me get this straight: a Lycan was a "space creater carry" and not a "core". I don't even know what to say.

come on... you look that lycan show, look the damage he did and the networth he got. you tell me that was a carry. the last fight was a disaster, he literally straight went to warlock, who already used ult... almost every og's game, watching notail's networth, i feel like watching a position 4 or position 5 farmer creating space for other guys.


I'm not sure you even really know the meaning of these words. For example "core" simply refers to anybody that isn't a support. It refers to farm allocation not actual farm. If a core doesn't get farm for whatever reason, he's still a core. But even if we ignore Notail completely your statement doesn't make any sense because S4 and Reso are already 2 cores.

The meaning of "Space creating carry" is slightly more vague but again you seem to have hardly any understanding of the concept. "Space creating carry" refers to carries that (can) fight early and farm little/ get their networth from hero kills and while a Lycan certainly can fight early, he's usually picked for (solo) pushing towers, kinda like Dp. Obviously pushing/killing towers also creates space, but again your usage of the term is way off because if you define it more loosely then every team has a space creating carry. There's just not enough safe farm on the map for it to be any different- you will always have one core that takes more and safer farm than the rest of the cores/team.

This mindless criticism seems pretty silly to me when in the very game you're talking about they came within a hairs breadth of beating what is considered by many (one of) the best team(s) in the world. I guess it's just the typical Notail flamer syndrome that has even been going on during their major run. Carry on.

Let me give you a hand, an example of a space creating carry is Puck.


What's your point?

Nothing. Just to help you make your point more clear.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
March 09 2018 19:35 GMT
#966
Thanks then, though in the case of Puck I gotta say I think I've seen him (her?) played on pretty much every position this major and this versatility makes it really hard to put any kind of label on him. In general it's more of a role or play style than specific heroes. Tiny is the one I think of when I hear space creating carry- can carry, can farm but has the tools to move and fight early.
bigbadchen
Profile Joined July 2017
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-11 01:20:14
March 11 2018 01:18 GMT
#967
You guys are still defending notail? Space-enabling carry? what kind of mental gymnastic to come out with such jargon?
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 11 2018 08:45 GMT
#968
On March 11 2018 10:18 bigbadchen wrote:
You guys are still defending notail? Space-enabling carry? what kind of mental gymnastic to come out with such jargon?

What? When? Where?

Teaching someone the meaning of some concepts is not the same as defending notail. On the other hand, blaming it on him is like blaming it on Matumba when Liquid didn't work, and we have already seen how that problem was solved without roster changes.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
March 17 2018 13:00 GMT
#969
Reso is out
https://www.facebook.com/notes/og/a-change-for-2018/2016052492016045/
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
hashaki
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway210 Posts
March 17 2018 17:38 GMT
#970
Good tbh. They didn't make it work so far, and it just seemed that whatever OG wanted to do, didn't sit with the skillset of Reso. His strengths, while good, wasn't what OG needed.

OG needs a crisp teamfight executioner like Miracle/Ana both were. Reso is too much about farm and lategame carries only.

Now let's just see who comes in as a replacement that would fit their style.
Life is like animal porn... It's not for everyone
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
March 18 2018 00:38 GMT
#971
Yeah don't overstate Miracle/Ana too much, both were inexperienced and the team and especially N0tail made them shine. He has been the best enabling carry in the world, but this patch is just so much faster and just killed N0tail's style
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
March 20 2018 09:33 GMT
#972
Well who's available anyways now?

I really don't know who they could possibly get in at this point.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
March 24 2018 11:55 GMT
#973
So Ana is looking for a team apparently....
Dison92
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark142 Posts
March 24 2018 19:05 GMT
#974
On March 24 2018 20:55 sCuMBaG wrote:
So Ana is looking for a team apparently....

Source for this? Can't see anything on his twitter or anything.
MonkeyLarry
Profile Joined June 2011
United States60 Posts
March 24 2018 20:59 GMT
#975
On March 24 2018 20:55 sCuMBaG wrote:
So Ana is looking for a team apparently....


Ana found a team. Echo International.
Grubby TLO WhiteRa Snute Bunny | Liquid, Alliance, Na'Vi, EG, OG
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 21:09:16
March 24 2018 21:08 GMT
#976
On March 25 2018 05:59 MonkeyLarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 20:55 sCuMBaG wrote:
So Ana is looking for a team apparently....


Ana found a team. Echo International.


That team seemingly disbanded already after a few weeks of playing

nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
March 24 2018 22:29 GMT
#977
Yeah. He probably wants to stay in the China region, if him taking a break/going home was the (actual) reason for leaving OG.
MonkeyLarry
Profile Joined June 2011
United States60 Posts
March 29 2018 20:16 GMT
#978
On March 25 2018 06:08 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2018 05:59 MonkeyLarry wrote:
On March 24 2018 20:55 sCuMBaG wrote:
So Ana is looking for a team apparently....


Ana found a team. Echo International.


That team seemingly disbanded already after a few weeks of playing

https://twitter.com/anadota99/status/975743324572213248


Oh. Liquipedia says otherwise. Maybe I shouldn't trust them.
Grubby TLO WhiteRa Snute Bunny | Liquid, Alliance, Na'Vi, EG, OG
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-30 07:57:11
March 30 2018 07:56 GMT
#979
Ana's not your saviour really,
And there's this thing looming over him of not honoring his agreement with Wobbly

They clearly need a heavy farming, Miracle style carry player capable of going mid or safelane, strong with tempo control and aggression

And the other core of also being able to bring the farm when necessary along with playing enabling heroes

N0tail just isn't that kind of player
But where can he go?
Fly is the Captain
Jerax is still on another leves as 4
S4 is doing well in the offlane

And you don't want to split Fly and n0tai, they have been instrumental for OG because of their great chemistry.

Feels like slow death until a big patc comes and meta changes again
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
March 31 2018 11:06 GMT
#980
OG is painful to watch, i really like most of the players on the team, but i can't really support them anymore. They seems so lost and i don't think that the patch or the meta is enough as an excuse, they just take so many bad decisions, make so many missplay. They get caught a lot offguard and out of position, they play aggressive when they shouldn't, they make dumb mistakes like walking into the same wards over and over. That's just on them and not on the meta or something else, cause those mistakes are not related to it. I also think they are really on a bad mood because of this, cause even Jerax and S4 are making unusual mostakes for them. I think they should disband, they are not even locked by the DPC system since the release of Reso.
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