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hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 07 2018 02:45 GMT
#921
s4 feeding more then usual, weak performance by notail as usual. I don't think this team will last long in this state, i think reso will leave the team soon, if they don't get more consistent. They are playing pretty much only 4 protect 1, and it's not even working most of the time. They are good enough to trash teams like empire, but that's it. I mean they are not super bad, but being tier 2 cant be these guys ambition. Jerax was playing well as always though, he deserves better.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
January 07 2018 06:09 GMT
#922
Reso can leave the team, but where would he go? To Navi to replace Crystallize? Some tier 3 EU stack that OG tends to beat to qualify for tournaments anyway? Optic?
rip
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 07 2018 13:31 GMT
#923
On January 07 2018 15:09 TomatoBisque wrote:
Reso can leave the team, but where would he go? To Navi to replace Crystallize? Some tier 3 EU stack that OG tends to beat to qualify for tournaments anyway? Optic?

Well right now there is not really a better option then og. Maybe i am completely wrong and he will stay, who knows.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
January 07 2018 13:42 GMT
#924
i guess more farm on notail would not hurt, he tends to play the pos1 support a to hard.
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
January 07 2018 19:08 GMT
#925
It's month i'm saying this team just doesn't work: I don't know what the solution could be, cause i think that even if Ana come back OG will still do bad, so it's not really about Reso don't sinergyzing with the rest of the team.

IMHO the better solution right now is to swap roles, Reso is already kind of the true position 1, and Notail has always played like some sort of position 2.5, maybe bring back S4 in mid and Notail on position 3, he already plays some of the offlane heroes (brew, underlord) and i'm pretty sure he can play tide/clock/centaur and so on. He's never been great on pos 1 (when OG was dominating he was for sure good but never the best) and right now it's worst than ever.
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-08 04:49:52
January 07 2018 20:25 GMT
#926
On January 08 2018 04:08 Minishield wrote:
It's month i'm saying this team just doesn't work: I don't know what the solution could be, cause i think that even if Ana come back OG will still do bad, so it's not really about Reso don't sinergyzing with the rest of the team.

IMHO the better solution right now is to swap roles, Reso is already kind of the true position 1, and Notail has always played like some sort of position 2.5, maybe bring back S4 in mid and Notail on position 3, he already plays some of the offlane heroes (brew, underlord) and i'm pretty sure he can play tide/clock/centaur and so on. He's never been great on pos 1 (when OG was dominating he was for sure good but never the best) and right now it's worst than ever.


yeah, it could work, however considering Notail recent form, i think he should step down from core pos and go back to play support.
Let Jerax be pos 3 and Notail pos 4.
atmankulkarni
Profile Joined October 2016
India109 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-08 19:56:23
January 08 2018 19:55 GMT
#927
Update from OG: https://www.facebook.com/notes/og/galaxy-battles-update/1983130978641530/
They will attend Galaxy Battles with two stand-ins;
7ckngMad (for n0tail) & KheZu (for s4). Will be nice to see these two play after quite a while.
"Hakuna Matata"
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
January 09 2018 18:10 GMT
#928
On January 09 2018 04:55 atmankulkarni wrote:
Update from OG: https://www.facebook.com/notes/og/galaxy-battles-update/1983130978641530/
They will attend Galaxy Battles with two stand-ins;
7ckngMad (for n0tail) & KheZu (for s4). Will be nice to see these two play after quite a while.

It's just a break cause the tournament is irrelevant or there's more behind? I don't think Notail will ever leave (or get kicked) but who knows.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
January 10 2018 03:20 GMT
#929
On January 10 2018 03:10 Minishield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2018 04:55 atmankulkarni wrote:
Update from OG: https://www.facebook.com/notes/og/galaxy-battles-update/1983130978641530/
They will attend Galaxy Battles with two stand-ins;
7ckngMad (for n0tail) & KheZu (for s4). Will be nice to see these two play after quite a while.

It's just a break cause the tournament is irrelevant or there's more behind? I don't think Notail will ever leave (or get kicked) but who knows.

Its probably because notail and s4 are regular weed smokers. Who would have guessed that in notails case xD
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-10 17:49:46
January 10 2018 17:46 GMT
#930
Man as N0tail has been the star, no1 in the world enabling space creating carry the patch is juat too cruel to him...
Split illusion heroes ? Useless, he is no1 in the world on those
Enabling initiator space creation carries ? One of the best players in history...Also lagging behind this patch in effectiveness

It's time of farm and tempo, reso is great there
But Notail has a limited mid pool so that full swap I don't see happening either .

Ams they will shuffle until that saviour patch comes again


Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
January 10 2018 18:55 GMT
#931
I don't know- the whole team kinda feels off. When I look at current secret I'm reminded of old OG: godly midlaner like Miracle- all I've seen Reso be great at is farming. Insane 4-5 duo (granted Jerax is still being an absolute beast), super stable and impactful off laner and a safe lane carry that farms midas+radiance in sub 14 minutes (osfrog plz). On top of that they always seem to be able to "make it work". Super strong drafting, insane comebacks- I'm not a fan of Secret as an org but you can't deny they're hot as shit right now.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
January 11 2018 09:42 GMT
#932
hi, just farm on notail on regular carry heroes and see where it goes.
i scarcely believe he remembers how anymore.
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MonkeyLarry
Profile Joined June 2011
United States60 Posts
January 11 2018 16:49 GMT
#933
I don't really like the idea of s4 moving. Like I've said, s4 has always been a tempo controller mid which is not needed in mids right now, as far as I know. He's known for his tempo control, Puck, Batrider, etc.. When he was on Alliance it was always Bulldog who was really the second damage dealing core. I don't know. I might be wrong, but as far as I remember qop was really the only mid hero I can think in his pool to be a mid.
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TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
January 11 2018 22:20 GMT
#934
On January 11 2018 02:46 LemOn wrote:
Man as N0tail has been the star, no1 in the world enabling space creating carry the patch is juat too cruel to him...

imo there are better space creating carries, they just manage to do so without going some all in early/midgame build that can't farm+falls off so it's not as obvious
rip
Nagvalk
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa220 Posts
March 06 2018 16:59 GMT
#935
the fact that nothing has been said on the OG team discussion page tells the whole story.
OG are making highly questionable draft decisions and are trying to play this 4 protect one game in a 3 core meta.

I dont really see a future for them anymore, they have dropped to the tier 3 level, competing with optic and vega.
Very sad.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 17:26:10
March 06 2018 17:25 GMT
#936
On March 07 2018 01:59 Nagvalk wrote:
the fact that nothing has been said on the OG team discussion page tells the whole story.
OG are making highly questionable draft decisions and are trying to play this 4 protect one game in a 3 core meta.

I dont really see a future for them anymore, they have dropped to the tier 3 level, competing with optic and vega.
Very sad.

You realize Optic is one of the best placed teams this tournament, beating VP the winner of the last Major, in the process? I get you are one of those blind fans that just trivialize the game and spend their time whining about results instead of properly asses the state of the scene, game and meta. Give it a rest, they are now one more team between many good teams but not one of the best. The best are only a few and even the last TI winners had the same results so far. In a best of one group stage anything can happen, and one last pick can turn everything around, just like what just happened with PL.
Nagvalk
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa220 Posts
March 06 2018 17:59 GMT
#937
I have been supporting OG since their inception and am quite familiar with the state of the game and the pro scene thank you. Your unneccesary flame is not backed up by the facts. Yes, there are more teams becoming competitive during the course of this DPC season.
OG, however, have not posted any results against the top teams since TI. While it is true that alot of the tier 2 teams are showing progress and are taking games off the tier 1 teams, OG has struggled to find any cohesion in their laning positions, drafts and overall strategy.

What I am sad about is that my team, who were one of the top teams, are now looking very average and are not showing any improvement, unlike teams like Optic and Col
jack_knife
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany343 Posts
March 06 2018 21:26 GMT
#938
indeed, that 4 protect one strategy is very questionable. you need at least 2 cores to fight later game.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-06 22:04:54
March 06 2018 22:02 GMT
#939
While that is true, claiming that OG are actually playing 4 protect 1 is utter rubbish. And when you simultaneously chastise others for "lack of facts" you're breaking the irony meter.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
March 06 2018 22:17 GMT
#940
On March 07 2018 02:59 Nagvalk wrote:
I have been supporting OG since their inception and am quite familiar with the state of the game and the pro scene thank you. Your unneccesary flame is not backed up by the facts. Yes, there are more teams becoming competitive during the course of this DPC season.
OG, however, have not posted any results against the top teams since TI. While it is true that alot of the tier 2 teams are showing progress and are taking games off the tier 1 teams, OG has struggled to find any cohesion in their laning positions, drafts and overall strategy.

What I am sad about is that my team, who were one of the top teams, are now looking very average and are not showing any improvement, unlike teams like Optic and Col

You called them tier 3. Your team is not tier 3. You are sad, but you could be more supportive in a scene where teams strenghts shift so easily and so fast. There are ups and downs and sometimes the only way forward is a roster change, but you never know, Reso ended up TI runner-up on a team noone ever saw as a contender.

If I flame you is only because you sound entitled. What should TL fans be posting then? They won TI and now they are 1-2, they haven't won much lately. You can be however you like, but you can't go expecting everyone will agree with you in a forum.

I have never expected much from them since they got another pos1 to fill a mid position. They did really good so far and way better than I thought they could.
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