I think this team has some real potential, I'm not sure how good moon is and I know fly isn't the best player out there in his position but if they can figure out their style I think this team could be a real threat to EG and the rest.

Harpoon

Philippines93 Posts

September 27 2015 08:46 GMT

In the last few weeks, they've managed to climb their way to the top of the EU scene. looking forward to them competing against other regions.

Fwizzz

Philippines4420 Posts

September 27 2015 08:56 GMT

Possible liquid team?

Team is doing good atm. Tiny+wisp is still strong.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

September 27 2015 09:22 GMT

Too pubby for my taste to be honest, but they are definitely better than about every non-VP/Secret EU team.

SpeaKEaSY

United States1070 Posts

September 27 2015 09:34 GMT

At about 32:00, game resumes with cr1t still disconnected, so n0tail just plays the tiny+wisp combo himself

MirageTaN

Singapore871 Posts

September 27 2015 09:35 GMT

I would like this to be Liquid but honestly, I think they have alrdy found an investor soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo .yeah

goody153

44180 Posts

September 27 2015 11:24 GMT

They are so fucking chaotic but despite that i think they are currently the next best team of EU outside secret/VP.

On September 27 2015 18:35 MirageTaN wrote:
I would like this to be Liquid but honestly, I think they have alrdy found an investor soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo .yeah

yesssssssssssssssss plsssssss

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

September 27 2015 11:46 GMT

Notail has generally been meh. Miracle though is fucking legit.

bardtown

England2313 Posts

September 27 2015 14:16 GMT

#10

Beasts, but no idea why moon is on the team. Feeds every single early game. It seems to work for them but... is that because it's working, or because they're good enough to push through it? I mean, if they had a good offlaner who didn't feed, wouldn't they just do better?

spudde123

4814 Posts

September 27 2015 15:02 GMT

#11

I haven't watched a bunch of their games so closely but in general someone just dying a bit early isn't necessarily bad. At least I remember vs NaVi Moon was "feeding" with his DS, but what his "feeding" contributed was that he constantly had information on what the supports were doing and the supports wanted to stay there and had to use their spells and mana because he was constantly coming forward. What happened on the other two lanes? n0tail's and cr1t's Wisp+Tiny crushed one lane, Miracle+Fly completely crushed Dendi mid with TA and some Fly hero. NaVi's supports were consistently unable to help anywhere on the map, largely because Moon was "feeding".

Also a lot of MB's games have been really easy because they've been running snowbally lineups with Wisp a lot and managed to win the early game really hard. It's easier to assess their players when we get to see them against teams who can hold their own and stabilize the games. A bit unfortunate that their series against VP in the WCA quals became only a bo1 due to whatever issues MB had.

konadora

Singapore66202 Posts

September 27 2015 18:04 GMT

#12

just wanna say miracle is a beast

nothingmuch

448 Posts

September 27 2015 20:57 GMT

#13

It's mind boggling to me how people are (still) trash talking Fly. He and Moon were the sole reason Complexity did so well at TI. Yes, he didn't exactly perform up to the rest of Secret (as if more than a handful of ppl on the planet could, and on a position he had never played before) but his support play has been exceptional for years.

There's no doubt in my mind that this team will be EU#1.
Also <3 N0tail

Sbrubbles

Brazil5776 Posts

September 27 2015 21:44 GMT

#14

The real question is, why is monkey in parenthesis?

paper

13196 Posts

September 27 2015 22:22 GMT

#15

On September 28 2015 06:44 Sbrubbles wrote:
The real question is, why is monkey in parenthesis?

its the shortcut for the monkey emoticon on skype, which is their logo

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

September 27 2015 22:59 GMT

#16

On September 28 2015 05:57 nothingmuch wrote:
It's mind boggling to me how people are (still) trash talking Fly. He and Moon were the sole reason Complexity did so well at TI. Yes, he didn't exactly perform up to the rest of Secret (as if more than a handful of ppl on the planet could, and on a position he had never played before) but his support play has been exceptional for years.

There's no doubt in my mind that this team will be EU#1.
Also <3 N0tail

Fly is rubbish at offlane. As a support, he is decent. Nothing spectacular, but gets the job done.

Pomza

45 Posts

September 27 2015 23:45 GMT

#17

Miracle is quickly becoming one of my favourite pros to watch. Hope BigDaddy can polish up his play as he seems to be the weaklink but I imagine its simply lack of practice in this position.

the bear jew

United States3674 Posts

September 28 2015 00:44 GMT

#18

On September 28 2015 07:59 DucK- wrote:

Show nested quote +

Fly is rubbish at offlane. As a support, he is decent. Nothing spectacular, but gets the job done.

Which is hard to find, supports that get the job done. Not an easy job at all.

I wouldn't say he's the best ever but under appreciated for sure.

yookstah

Australia655 Posts

September 28 2015 03:53 GMT

#19

LD kept pronouncing "miracle" as "meracle". Miracle is not Singaporean, LD!

AT.Epiphany

India117 Posts

September 28 2015 06:16 GMT

#20

I think we will very soon see a trend (or are already seeing it) of picking the highest MMR guys and putting them in top teams instead of assuming that pub games mean nothing and the fact that these boys are 2k mmr higher than many pro players is meaningless. For a long time, the scene tends to operate on personal contacts and being a part of the network rather than a more professional approach. But it can't last for long that somebody can school NBA players in a pick-up game or destroy top tier pros in a casual soccer game and no one even thinks about the implication. I'm glad to see so many pubstars getting picked up and proving to be very strong.

These guys are playing like the real deal and I think they will be a top-tier team this season. Miracle is actually an amazing player and remains a lot more calm and analytical than a lot of other players during chaotic situations which is why I think he seems to be a notch above.

Secondly, they look to be very 'pubby' as someone mentioned but this is good in the sense that they are willing to do what they want rather than just copy the meta, which is obviously good, especially with the new patches coming in.