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Sapaio
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Killernok
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On February 08 2020 15:31 Sapaio wrote: Because direct invites are based on DCP points, and OG has chosen to sit out first 2 majors and minors so they have zero points. thanks mate | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
Sumail looks like an absolute beast on pos.1 and midone seems to adapt increadibly well to the offlane role as well. I like it a lot. | ||
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emperorchampion
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PuroStrife
Korea (North)199 Posts
Johan fluke hat-trick would be great. | ||
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ChickenDieAlive
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Dracolich70
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
On February 11 2020 19:26 Dracolich70 wrote: MidOne has slotted in well. Sumail is a poor fit. Mechanically skilled, poor decision making, and reminds me of the worst traits of Miracle- in OG. Simply not OG material to me, and I doubt it will last long, unless he starts growing immensely and more than he has in the past 5 years. It feels like he needs to be babysat. Game 2 vs TL, he starts farming rather than following his team to bot lane and they lose the fight because he is late, due to farming for 2 mins. He is also incredibly arrogant, which is everything OG is not. Game 1, he did nothing while TL pounced on N0tail in the beginning, and as he died it seemed he just discovered it and started attacking, which was about 20 secs after N0tail was hit. He did nothing on morphling and when he decided to do something he walks into Enemy jungle with Saksa, and dies, which brought memories back to EG, where they made sure he had a good game only for him to fuck it all away. That is some very strong anti-Sumail bias you got going there! I think OG knew very well what kind of player they would get when inviting Sumail into the team. While i agree with you that he probably has to grow into the team and that he has both the opportunity and the necessity to learn and grow in terms of attitude to really fit into the OG broship, i disagree with most everything else you said about him. With the exception of his short appearance on Quincy-Crew, he still has no experience as a carry player in a professional enviroment. If anything, i would say his performances so far as a carry, both in Quincy Crew and in OG are nothing short of amazing and he is well on his way to become one of, if not flatout the best pos 1 in the current Dota scene. Considering MidOne, i think "slotted in" is a little bit of an understatement. I was very skeptical if midone could make this transition, but so far, it looks like this is fitting him more than perfect. He makes Darkseer like a hero you might wanna ban versus him, which sounds unreal as a statement in the current meta ... | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On February 12 2020 01:14 MintberryCrunchs wrote: That is some very strong anti-Sumail bias you got going there! I think OG knew very well what kind of player they would get when inviting Sumail into the team. While i agree with you that he probably has to grow into the team and that he has both the opportunity and the necessity to learn and grow in terms of attitude to really fit into the OG broship, i disagree with most everything else you said about him. With the exception of his short appearance on Quincy-Crew, he still has no experience as a carry player in a professional enviroment. If anything, i would say his performances so far as a carry, both in Quincy Crew and in OG are nothing short of amazing and he is well on his way to become one of, if not flatout the best pos 1 in the current Dota scene. Considering MidOne, i think "slotted in" is a little bit of an understatement. I was very skeptical if midone could make this transition, but so far, it looks like this is fitting him more than perfect. He makes Darkseer like a hero you might wanna ban versus him, witch sounds unreal as a statement in the current meta ... I agree, i have thought of Sumail is arrogant also, but think he was very young when breaking out, and with age comes maturity. Also think a change of environment can make you grow as a person. And feel that OG can give Sumail every opportunity to grow both as a player and person. Can think of nobody better for that then Notail and Ceb. Love Midone, feel like he is a real playmaker and the Darkseer is really good, like the combo with NA with surge just giving them great catch. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
Are you already forgetting how BAD OG looked during the entire year before TI? This is a team that takes high, calculated risk that no other team takes with timings and prolonged team fights. This means they will either fall as a team or rise as a team. even OLD OG didn't look strong at all after their TI win. This one adapted very quickly and with a new roster. And for those who argue against Sumail being a mechanical player being a positive, The times their gank failed, and sumail got wiped or was in a negative K/D, he eventually farmed it back up and almost always caught up and bypassed the other carry. This is the benefit of having a great farmer. OG's style now has the benefit of falling back on farming and having a superior mechanical carry if their roaming style gets figured out. I also wrote 10 days ago that i didn't believe midone would fit, and BOY has he made me eat my words. It really makes me think we will never know the actual potential of a player if they're not given the opportunity to shine. I guess midone really was more OG style oriented, played this style on a team like secret but they just let him die trying to create space for them so he looked horrible. TLDR? Sumail being a mechanical carry is a positive. OG are the only team in the world to really make 4 protect 1 work if it falls to it. | ||
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PuroStrife
Korea (North)199 Posts
On February 10 2020 00:32 ChickenDieAlive wrote: This team still feels like the old OG. Insane teamwork and exciting to watch. I wholeheartedly disagree but you're entitled to your opinion. Without Jerax, Ceb and Ana they are still strong, sure, but they don't feel like the OG5 that won TI back to back. They shouldn't, either, because as a team they haven't won anything nor do they have a history of punching back when down, they haven't even been down.. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On March 23 2020 04:11 saocyn wrote: So why did OG throw? I get midone can't play but...Ceb is just as any to fill in his role. Why did they feel the need to switch up roles...it's not like they have a chance at any other tournament for a while. 150,000 is sure a lot to pass up on... Since Sumail isn't in Europe he probably didn't feel confident going mid with the ping différence. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On March 23 2020 04:11 saocyn wrote: I don't think they threw. I think they wanted to use this opportunity to teach Sumail some aspects of Dota, and after several top tier captains failing to implement better decision making on him, I feel this was the last resort and one I accommodate on the short lane. As a support he will get to see the bigger picture, rather than tunnel visioning and learn team aspects of the game, that are crucial - especially on OG.So why did OG throw? I get midone can't play but...Ceb is just as any to fill in his role. Why did they feel the need to switch up roles...it's not like they have a chance at any other tournament for a while. 150,000 is sure a lot to pass up on... Sure they didn't take it seriously, but treated it like a charity match, while TL treated it like it was their cup final. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On February 12 2020 01:14 MintberryCrunchs wrote: You can call it anti-Sumail if you wish, but it is just observations over the years.That is some very strong anti-Sumail bias you got going there! I think OG knew very well what kind of player they would get when inviting Sumail into the team. While i agree with you that he probably has to grow into the team and that he has both the opportunity and the necessity to learn and grow in terms of attitude to really fit into the OG broship, i disagree with most everything else you said about him. With the exception of his short appearance on Quincy-Crew, he still has no experience as a carry player in a professional enviroment. If anything, i would say his performances so far as a carry, both in Quincy Crew and in OG are nothing short of amazing and he is well on his way to become one of, if not flatout the best pos 1 in the current Dota scene. Considering MidOne, i think "slotted in" is a little bit of an understatement. I was very skeptical if midone could make this transition, but so far, it looks like this is fitting him more than perfect. He makes Darkseer like a hero you might wanna ban versus him, which sounds unreal as a statement in the current meta ... Sumail is no doubt very talented nor did I give any other indication of such. But he also has deep flaws, that hasn't been ironed out over the years. I have no idea why you classify his performances as a carry as amazing, but it seems to stem from a belief that if he hasn't played carry before in a professional environment you carry that far into your evaluation He did well, and as shown several faulty decisions made. He has a long way to go to complement the roster. MidOne has done amazing, because he played his new role as a top tier offlaner and - thus far - unlike Sumail synergise with the team coherency. | ||
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
On February 12 2020 13:20 saocyn wrote: Persona and how you mesh is very important. If you have one that collides with the overall team personality, you cause disruption. Furthermore arrogance leads to overconfidence,which leads to mistakes based on ego.Whether you believe he is "Arrogant" or not has nothing to do with the actual gameplay. Yeah there are is some clunkiness here and there but to blame only him i think is unrealistic. A lot of the rotations are probably calls made by notail, which is why sumail has been playing vastly different and some of them just don't work! it's the OG style. Are you already forgetting how BAD OG looked during the entire year before TI? This is a team that takes high, calculated risk that no other team takes with timings and prolonged team fights. This means they will either fall as a team or rise as a team. even OLD OG didn't look strong at all after their TI win. This one adapted very quickly and with a new roster. And for those who argue against Sumail being a mechanical player being a positive, The times their gank failed, and sumail got wiped or was in a negative K/D, he eventually farmed it back up and almost always caught up and bypassed the other carry. This is the benefit of having a great farmer. OG's style now has the benefit of falling back on farming and having a superior mechanical carry if their roaming style gets figured out. I also wrote 10 days ago that i didn't believe midone would fit, and BOY has he made me eat my words. It really makes me think we will never know the actual potential of a player if they're not given the opportunity to shine. I guess midone really was more OG style oriented, played this style on a team like secret but they just let him die trying to create space for them so he looked horrible. TLDR? Sumail being a mechanical carry is a positive. OG are the only team in the world to really make 4 protect 1 work if it falls to it. It has everything to do with gameplay. It is a psychological aspect and team chemistry is of essence. He will need to adapt. | ||
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warrior4093
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weiliem
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
Love they use 33 best skills that is micro management. So they give him Chen and Brew. They let people do what they do best. | ||
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