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Faruko
Chile34169 Posts
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
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Dison92
Denmark142 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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nothingmuch
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On December 11 2017 10:05 nothingmuch wrote: They're not yet at the level of Liquid/Secret. The grand final games against TNC (!) looked dominant, but a few of the group stage matches reeked of the slump swamp they've been in since TI. They're certainly on a good path though, I hope reso can extend his hero pool and Notail can keep finding the balance between helping the team and being a carry. His tiny games were awesome, now he just need to replicate these performances on all his heroes. Agree one of OG's problem is when N0tail becommes a 3 more than a 1, and they lack damage in team fights because Reso need to do all damage, think we saw that in the first game against Navi where his Naga was all utility and low farm until he became very farmmed late game. But his Tiny was amazing. The other thing that OG had in this tournament was good to great play from supports. Jerax smashed it on both Tusk and ES looked like himself again. Fly was much more aggressive and made many plays, think some of the most impact i seen from him. The movement and map reading from the team was great and they now have so many heroes they look good on that they will be hard to ban against, think they will be among top teams again. | ||
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nothingmuch
448 Posts
On December 11 2017 19:10 Sapaio wrote: Agree one of OG's problem is when N0tail becommes a 3 more than a 1, and they lack damage in team fights because Reso need to do all damage, think we saw that in the first game against Navi where his Naga was all utility and low farm until he became very farmmed late game. But his Tiny was amazing. The other thing that OG had in this tournament was good to great play from supports. Jerax smashed it on both Tusk and ES looked like himself again. Fly was much more aggressive and made many plays, think some of the most impact i seen from him. The movement and map reading from the team was great and they now have so many heroes they look good on that they will be hard to ban against, think they will be among top teams again. Fingers crossed. The Naga game is a tricky example as he had not much influence on how the heroes impact would play out- They almost exclusively picked it for the initiation/combo. He couldn't go for more of a hard carry build (i.e. old radiance) because his timing would have been off by like 10 minutes and he would either be forced to fight without items or not be in the fights at all. His Jugger game was a much better example where he had a great laning phase, bought an early shadow blade and proceeded to do nothing for the next 25+ min because he stopped farming and all his ganks failed. Ended the game with a gifted moonshard from Reso and an enemy rapier and still lower networth than the enemy carry. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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nanaoei
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notail has a tendancy to pub the heroes he is going into a tournament with. actually i'm sure quite a number of pros noticed this already. map understanding and strong gank teamwork is what the team is a shining bright star with. however their ultimate playstyle won't come to fruition as long as individual performance isn't there. there was honestly no issue in my mind that he goes bfury manta/diff manta/S&Y diff build (in that order of viability) that jugg game and does what he can. 90% of players in his position would have done so and probably have a good game. | ||
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nothingmuch
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Sapaio
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nothingmuch
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
not only they beat EG But they dismantled a Medusa strat with e very cool draft | ||
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
On December 17 2017 07:35 LemOn wrote: very impressive! not only they beat EG But they dismantled a Medusa strat with e very cool draft As an OG fan i think this win is thanks to EG just drafting and playing really bad, i mean i think on our peaks we can beat most of the teams right now (except Liquid and Secret) but this tournament we're not playing good, just EG played much worse. | ||
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Nagvalk
South Africa220 Posts
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nothingmuch
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On December 18 2017 20:28 nothingmuch wrote: Yeah, really disappointed how this turned out. The 0-3 blowout by VP I could kinda accept, it's VP at the summit after all, but the loss to Fnatic really hurts. Agreed, really think the drafts in game 2 & 3 was so awful. The game 2 last pick Brod that the they choose to lane agianst an TA (that is a showballing hero) that has one of best early game AoE and just feed of spiderlings is one of most stupid descions i have seen i Dota for a long time. Fly and rest of the team needs a smack on the head for that. | ||
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Minishield
Italy145 Posts
I think something will have to change this team clearly doesn't work, and it's no more about giving them time, i think they had enough. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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VvvV1251
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