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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
November 17 2017 08:54 GMT
#901
Not a weak hero, just that the draft was super greedy, PL and LD need time to come online.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
November 17 2017 09:07 GMT
#902
What i find most puzzling is that they let WW through ban phase, then had five picks to counter it. But in the game every time WW used Cold Embrace it saved a hero because they have enough magic damage to kill anyone in the ice block.
GO OG
Dison92
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark142 Posts
December 10 2017 17:09 GMT
#903
They actually looked fairly good today, clean execution and well played from them all.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 10 2017 18:33 GMT
#904
Much improved to what it was a few months ago. Happy about the win. Now I wanna see them versus Liquid, Secret etc, to really see if they are returning to form.
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
December 11 2017 01:05 GMT
#905
They're not yet at the level of Liquid/Secret. The grand final games against TNC (!) looked dominant, but a few of the group stage matches reeked of the slump swamp they've been in since TI. They're certainly on a good path though, I hope reso can extend his hero pool and Notail can keep finding the balance between helping the team and being a carry. His tiny games were awesome, now he just need to replicate these performances on all his heroes.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
December 11 2017 10:10 GMT
#906
On December 11 2017 10:05 nothingmuch wrote:
They're not yet at the level of Liquid/Secret. The grand final games against TNC (!) looked dominant, but a few of the group stage matches reeked of the slump swamp they've been in since TI. They're certainly on a good path though, I hope reso can extend his hero pool and Notail can keep finding the balance between helping the team and being a carry. His tiny games were awesome, now he just need to replicate these performances on all his heroes.


Agree one of OG's problem is when N0tail becommes a 3 more than a 1, and they lack damage in team fights because Reso need to do all damage, think we saw that in the first game against Navi where his Naga was all utility and low farm until he became very farmmed late game. But his Tiny was amazing.

The other thing that OG had in this tournament was good to great play from supports. Jerax smashed it on both Tusk and ES looked like himself again. Fly was much more aggressive and made many plays, think some of the most impact i seen from him.

The movement and map reading from the team was great and they now have so many heroes they look good on that they will be hard to ban against, think they will be among top teams again.
GO OG
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
December 11 2017 19:14 GMT
#907
On December 11 2017 19:10 Sapaio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2017 10:05 nothingmuch wrote:
They're not yet at the level of Liquid/Secret. The grand final games against TNC (!) looked dominant, but a few of the group stage matches reeked of the slump swamp they've been in since TI. They're certainly on a good path though, I hope reso can extend his hero pool and Notail can keep finding the balance between helping the team and being a carry. His tiny games were awesome, now he just need to replicate these performances on all his heroes.


Agree one of OG's problem is when N0tail becommes a 3 more than a 1, and they lack damage in team fights because Reso need to do all damage, think we saw that in the first game against Navi where his Naga was all utility and low farm until he became very farmmed late game. But his Tiny was amazing.

The other thing that OG had in this tournament was good to great play from supports. Jerax smashed it on both Tusk and ES looked like himself again. Fly was much more aggressive and made many plays, think some of the most impact i seen from him.

The movement and map reading from the team was great and they now have so many heroes they look good on that they will be hard to ban against, think they will be among top teams again.


Fingers crossed. The Naga game is a tricky example as he had not much influence on how the heroes impact would play out- They almost exclusively picked it for the initiation/combo. He couldn't go for more of a hard carry build (i.e. old radiance) because his timing would have been off by like 10 minutes and he would either be forced to fight without items or not be in the fights at all. His Jugger game was a much better example where he had a great laning phase, bought an early shadow blade and proceeded to do nothing for the next 25+ min because he stopped farming and all his ganks failed. Ended the game with a gifted moonshard from Reso and an enemy rapier and still lower networth than the enemy carry.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 11 2017 21:48 GMT
#908
This patch just sucks for N0tail's style overall
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 12 2017 12:10 GMT
#909
honestly you just can't play naga without radiance. i say this with all the hope in the world that non-radiance naga is viable. the game gets very irregular when you start diffusal and perhaps that's what OG was always going for with the pick.

notail has a tendancy to pub the heroes he is going into a tournament with. actually i'm sure quite a number of pros noticed this already.

map understanding and strong gank teamwork is what the team is a shining bright star with.
however their ultimate playstyle won't come to fruition as long as individual performance isn't there.

there was honestly no issue in my mind that he goes bfury manta/diff manta/S&Y diff build (in that order of viability) that jugg game and does what he can. 90% of players in his position would have done so and probably have a good game.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-13 12:21:00
December 13 2017 12:19 GMT
#910
I'd have preferred a maelstrom build against that dk tbh. And Jerax said in the interview that they're having success with the non radiance naga so idk- clearly they're picking her more for the song than anything else and notails build fit the timings of the rest of the team much better than a radiance build would.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
December 13 2017 19:03 GMT
#911
If they only pick Naga for song, why use her on carry position. Why not just have Fly play Naga, think new meta is best with two cores that deal dmg.
GO OG
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
December 14 2017 02:43 GMT
#912
They lastpicked the naga.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 16 2017 22:35 GMT
#913
very impressive!
not only they beat EG
But they dismantled a Medusa strat with e very cool draft
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
December 16 2017 22:44 GMT
#914
On December 17 2017 07:35 LemOn wrote:
very impressive!
not only they beat EG
But they dismantled a Medusa strat with e very cool draft

As an OG fan i think this win is thanks to EG just drafting and playing really bad, i mean i think on our peaks we can beat most of the teams right now (except Liquid and Secret) but this tournament we're not playing good, just EG played much worse.
Nagvalk
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa220 Posts
December 18 2017 09:56 GMT
#915
ugh game 2 v fanatic was just chain-feeding during the midgame and game 3 was a straightforward out-draft. really worried as to why they make obvious mistakes and bad drafts.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
December 18 2017 11:28 GMT
#916
Yeah, really disappointed how this turned out. The 0-3 blowout by VP I could kinda accept, it's VP at the summit after all, but the loss to Fnatic really hurts.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
December 18 2017 13:01 GMT
#917
On December 18 2017 20:28 nothingmuch wrote:
Yeah, really disappointed how this turned out. The 0-3 blowout by VP I could kinda accept, it's VP at the summit after all, but the loss to Fnatic really hurts.

Agreed, really think the drafts in game 2 & 3 was so awful. The game 2 last pick Brod that the they choose to lane agianst an TA (that is a showballing hero) that has one of best early game AoE and just feed of spiderlings is one of most stupid descions i have seen i Dota for a long time. Fly and rest of the team needs a smack on the head for that.
GO OG
Minishield
Profile Joined October 2016
Italy145 Posts
December 21 2017 18:18 GMT
#918
After a period that seemed we were slightly returning back on top, we fall back again. Games vs Penta were depressing to say the least.

I think something will have to change this team clearly doesn't work, and it's no more about giving them time, i think they had enough.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
December 21 2017 19:11 GMT
#919
Inconsistency is the name of the game :/
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
January 07 2018 01:45 GMT
#920
OG performance lately, Reso, Jerex vs the world.
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