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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On August 17 2016 06:35 pyrocumulus wrote: I imagine Team Secret's failures are due more to mentality than anything. Every time before the games at TI, DC hyped each other up. I wonder if there was someone missing from Secret to do that... + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp9Xqs2UsAA5uXD.jpg:large) | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
ee, singsing, pld, bone7, aui2k  | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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pyrocumulus
United States65 Posts
On August 17 2016 06:48 hunter_x wrote: no team with envy as a captain will win anything I don't really believe that. With EE, as far as I can tell, just needs someone to mother him, in a way. With him, you need a super calm player to keep him on track, focused, and not making any EE plays. I don't necessarily think EE would make a good captain, though. His drafting isn't the best and I don't believe he can efficiently motivate teams to | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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pyrocumulus
United States65 Posts
On August 17 2016 07:23 hariooo wrote: It's a pretty petulant thing to say anyway and it's made more hilarious by someone rocking a TL flair. How is it petulant? No salt, just curious. Also Liquid has my favorite people so no matter how badly they play I will stand by them (or get my ass kicked with them). | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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pyrocumulus
United States65 Posts
On August 17 2016 07:35 spudde123 wrote: "Good captain" is a relative term, the only team EE has captained was top6 at TI4, after that had multiple podium finishes in international tournaments, although after taking in n0tail and Misery the team seemed to crumble internally going into TI5. I wouldn't exactly expect an EE led stack to win international events, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them work hard and be good enough to qualify for tournaments and post decent results. Sometimes people are so used to making fun of c9 that there weren't that many teams in the world who did better than them. Good points. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
Like I just don't think he's the player for that position | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On August 17 2016 07:28 pyrocumulus wrote: How is it petulant? No salt, just curious. Also Liquid has my favorite people so no matter how badly they play I will stand by them (or get my ass kicked with them). It's sort of unprovoked no? Just a dig at EE with no context or reason. | ||
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pyrocumulus
United States65 Posts
On August 17 2016 08:21 hariooo wrote: It's sort of unprovoked no? Just a dig at EE with no context or reason. I was just trying to make a response to hunter on why I don't believe that statement is right. I didn't really mean for it to come off as a dig, and I apologize if I didn't articulate that correctly. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On August 17 2016 08:37 pyrocumulus wrote: I was just trying to make a response to hunter on why I don't believe that statement is right. I didn't really mean for it to come off as a dig, and I apologize if I didn't articulate that correctly. I was talking about him anyway just used your response as the proxy lol | ||
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pyrocumulus
United States65 Posts
On August 17 2016 09:36 hariooo wrote: I was talking about him anyway just used your response as the proxy lol oh lol sorry man | ||
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son1dow
Lithuania322 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
I think RTZ can actually just listen mostly? So EE Puppey + Bulba used from coaching might be the issue | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On August 17 2016 07:28 pyrocumulus wrote: How is it petulant? No salt, just curious. Also Liquid has my favorite people so no matter how badly they play I will stand by them (or get my ass kicked with them). To add on to what to spudde said (and again only responding to you because you're asking), the irony of the Liquid flair is that Kuro has a history as a choker in high pressure LAN situations, and you can even see this in Liquid's results throughout the year--Liquid overall did worse than Secret if you look at pure monetary earnings, and the overall prestige of their results is at least comparable--Secret won a major and finished 2nd in another. They did worse at TI but had more top LAN wins (all in the fall though). They made about 50% more money throughout the season (2 mil vs. 1.3 mil) edit: supposedly (and this is just hearsay), Bulba would argue with Puppey during drafts | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On August 18 2016 07:45 nayumi wrote: I think it's best for Secret that EE and Puppey part way. That way they can be free to do what they want with the team. Both want to assume the leader role in a team, and they have the chance to be good at it. I personally don't find EE to be a good Dota player, but I can't deny that he's very influential which is a key attribute of a good captain. He's the NA version of Artstyle, perhaps with a little bit better mechanic. One day EE will get the criticism he derserves but it is not today. Not only has he mentioned being happy to be relieved of the burden of captaincy I really wonder in what world you can look at EE's 2013-2016 career and call him a bad player. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On August 18 2016 10:53 hariooo wrote: One day EE will get the criticism he derserves but it is not today. Not only has he mentioned being happy to be relieved of the burden of captaincy I really wonder in what world you can look at EE's 2013-2016 career and call him a bad player. I don't think EE is overall a bad player I think at TI6 he was a bad player | ||
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