EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 199
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andyrau
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Vankuga
Panama2005 Posts
Puppey needs to get his shit together to not have a shit year again. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
+? + ? envy to CoL | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On August 14 2016 00:11 pat777 wrote: Well, confidence is needed. It just needs to be managed so that it doesn't turn into too big of an ego. I think that's the tricky part. You need a lot of confidence but you can't let that confidence corrupt you. Yes, exactly this. And it's a fine line. Sometimes you see teams throwing massive leads because they get overconfident and throw games. Other times you see teams that are afraid to lose and have no confidence in themselves. They get a big lead and fail to close the game out (EE's C9 and the TI3-4 Liquid come to mind here) That said, Puppey has some sort of issue with how he views the game that's holding his team back, I think. Feels like when his teams have been losing it's due to a breakdown in teamwork and trust, and unfortunately this has happened with multiple iterations of Secret I also think he puts too little value on early game, too often we see his teams take a greedy draft that gets ran over early game and never recover. I don't know how much this ties into my first point but it's a pattern I've noticed repeatedly. This might be stubbornness because when Na'vi was dominant under his leadership they could frequently take insane teamfights even from huge deficits, but the game and players have changed a lot, and you can't just draft assuming your team vastly outskills the enemy team This is, however, just my shitter analysis and I've not studied the games enough to be confident in these claims. Not sure about roster shuffle. I've heard rumors that Matumba has military service coming up, and honestly we don't really know what the internal state is of most teams. Secret is just a gimme that they're making changes since they got last and Puppey expressed discontent in that interview with the way some players took 1437/aui's coaching (keep in mind that OG, Secret, and EG credit'd their respective coaches for their victories at TI5 and the majors, and 7mad/1437/bulba are all players that have seen very little success as players) | ||
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Papercappu
Canada2210 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11084 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
Not saying they would beat LGD in abo3 but reading too much into a single game loss when we have multiple examples of loser bracket runs is meh | ||
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wims80
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PoulsenB
Poland7735 Posts
On August 14 2016 21:07 wims80 wrote: It wasn't just one lost game, remember when they hadn't won a single game in like 15 games in a row? Clearly they sucked that was the previous roster with Universe iirc | ||
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wims80
1892 Posts
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On August 14 2016 13:32 Papercappu wrote: Puppey should step down to coach instead imo. He's too outdated with current state of the game.especially his drafting. 2 of his former teammates fly & misery ended up being better captain+drafter after playing with him In terms of performance its actually more than 2. Fly, Kuro, Misery, S4 and without an exception, all ex secrets performed better s4, universe, w33, misery, s4, kuro, zai, notail, fly | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On August 14 2016 21:07 wims80 wrote: It wasn't just one lost game, remember when they hadn't won a single game in like 15 games in a row? Clearly they sucked Just like Fnatic sucked this tournament. I'm not saying secret would have done well but almost winning the only main stage game while 20k behind isn't indicative of much. Group stage games didn't tell the whole story at all for a lot of the teams that went far. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On August 14 2016 17:28 hariooo wrote: You guys are putting a lot of stock into creating a narrative based on a best of 1 game. DC lost their first losers bracket game too. Not saying they would beat LGD in abo3 but reading too much into a single game loss when we have multiple examples of loser bracket runs is meh Reading too much ? the team is doing even worse then their darkest dreams , there is no way this team stick together , Secret has history of switching players instead of working on their issues , and this time wont be any different expect at least 2 players to be replaced. | ||
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spacecreated
15 Posts
That was during TI6 they have never had a 0-15 win loss. they had a 5-9 record in the group stage and 5-10 over all at TI. if that is what you're talking about please try to be more accurate. | ||
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wims80
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Presumably there's something rotten in the team causing the players to underperform, because I really think all of them could have done so much better individually. | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
on the topic yea secret will definitely shuffle, so will a lot of other teams. But as usual we know nothing about behind the scene thing and can only speculate | ||
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spacecreated
15 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On August 15 2016 06:36 spacecreated wrote: I saw !attacker naming his stream "secret.!attacker" can anyone comfirm anything? I don't he joined but its not impossible. dont take anything anyone says /does on his dota2 stream seriously ^^ | ||
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