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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
June 21 2016 18:34 GMT
#3601
The dudes changed roles! EE mid RTZ carry!

Seems to be working so far.
Xendarii
Profile Joined December 2014
327 Posts
June 21 2016 18:48 GMT
#3602
They're playing against pub players, of course it's working xD
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 21 2016 19:26 GMT
#3603
seriously if anyone thought Secret or EG would lose to these crap tier pubstacks they're idiots.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
trollcenter
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
362 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:40:18
June 21 2016 19:39 GMT
#3604
On June 22 2016 04:26 Shaella wrote:
seriously if anyone thought Secret or EG would lose to these crap tier pubstacks they're idiots.


People saying Secret could not make it were referring to potential matches against Kaipi, Polarity, Ad finem and others, don't think anyone expected random pubstacks to knock them out.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 19:45:18
June 21 2016 19:44 GMT
#3605
On June 22 2016 04:39 trollcenter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 04:26 Shaella wrote:
seriously if anyone thought Secret or EG would lose to these crap tier pubstacks they're idiots.


People saying Secret could not make it were referring to potential matches against Kaipi, Polarity, Ad finem and others, don't think anyone expected random pubstacks to knock them out.

There were definitely people that did. I wouldn't say a majority or even a significant amount but there was definitely "secret gonna get knocked out by 5k cheese strats" remarks
rip
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 20:12:24
June 21 2016 20:10 GMT
#3606
Elder Titan picks are back baby
And yeah it's still BO1s, anything's possible, now there's 6k+ stacks. They go for straight up drafts so far though
I wanna see Huskars and meepos and some all in push cheeses :D
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 21 2016 20:12 GMT
#3607
Ok.. So EE is indeed playing 2?
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
June 21 2016 20:14 GMT
#3608
I think EE would be a better 2 than RTZ
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 21 2016 20:15 GMT
#3609
Yeah
I hope they start being true swappable 1+2 with RTZ and Envy learns tempo controllers. RTZ is just not world class on those pucks etc.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 21 2016 20:34 GMT
#3610
Envy played safe lane the previous game, didn't he?

IDK, I've only been catching a few minutes of the games.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 20:36:23
June 21 2016 20:35 GMT
#3611
Okay I don't actually get why they didn't do this much much sooner... And none of us have suggested the obvious adjustment here.

Envy is just so much better with aggro plays and rotations, his death prophet now is insane rotating perfectly all the time, sometimes rotate top, gank+kill, rotate bottom during same exorcism and find another kill.

Give envy the task of mass spamming mid heroes, and have RTZ on farming core, Envy playmaking ones, and let them swap between mid and safelane at will, RTZ the farming oriented core, envy playmaking one.
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
June 21 2016 20:39 GMT
#3612
On June 22 2016 05:34 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Envy played safe lane the previous game, didn't he?

IDK, I've only been catching a few minutes of the games.


He played safelane but I believe he has played 2 in every game this far. Arteezy has played 1. They've just swapped lanes depending on who plays what hero.

Ofc remains to be seen how things work when they face harder opposition but it sounds like a good adjustment to me. EE is pretty vocal anyway I believe so it makes sense that he plays more team oriented heroes and Arteezy farms it up. Though I don't really have confidence in EE playing every hero in the pool but when it's DK/DP it makes quite a bit of sense and should work fine.
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
June 21 2016 20:41 GMT
#3613
i don't think you can base play off of an open qual. game.
envy spams DP for MMR, obviously he intends on using it for a pro-match, just as he did with naga, clinkz, and any other hero he intends on 'learning'.
he just has not done the same for any of the other meta mid heroes.

envy playmaking is not as strong as you think lol.
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FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 20:49:51
June 21 2016 20:49 GMT
#3614
On June 22 2016 05:39 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 05:34 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Envy played safe lane the previous game, didn't he?

IDK, I've only been catching a few minutes of the games.


He played safelane but I believe he has played 2 in every game this far. Arteezy has played 1. They've just swapped lanes depending on who plays what hero.

Ofc remains to be seen how things work when they face harder opposition but it sounds like a good adjustment to me. EE is pretty vocal anyway I believe so it makes sense that he plays more team oriented heroes and Arteezy farms it up. Though I don't really have confidence in EE playing every hero in the pool but when it's DK/DP it makes quite a bit of sense and should work fine.

Ah, OK.

Yeah, Envy has said before that he thinks he's most suited to, or at least would most like to play, mid. Not too surprising if he's playing it a bunch.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
TriCkster135
Profile Joined June 2016
Germany80 Posts
June 21 2016 20:59 GMT
#3615
Secret also had a lot of luck with the bracket. First decent team they should meet is Elements in RO 16. Nearly all the other decent teams are in the other half of the bracket.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
June 21 2016 21:02 GMT
#3616
Faceit uses some sort of a seeding system so the top teams aren't going to meet each other in the first rounds. The luck is probably significant for these last few bo1 rounds as there you may get teams that are pretty decent. But I haven't really looked at the bracket and who is on what side
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
June 21 2016 22:07 GMT
#3617
I just got home.

Have you guys seen any of the Secret games? I know it's hard to tell versus their competition, but have they been looking pretty good?
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Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 21 2016 22:09 GMT
#3618
secret done for the day?
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 22:25:40
June 21 2016 22:11 GMT
#3619
On June 22 2016 07:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I just got home.

Have you guys seen any of the Secret games? I know it's hard to tell versus their competition, but have they been looking pretty good?


I only saw their last game but I believe all games have been pretty quick. I may be mistaken but I think I heard/read that their toughest opposition this far was some 6kish stack.

Also in case you're interested they seem to be uploading some sort of highlights from every game on their youtube channel.

On June 22 2016 07:09 Kznn wrote:
secret done for the day?


No they play 1 more, just waiting for the other teams to finish their game to decide who the opponent is.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 21 2016 22:39 GMT
#3620
Games have been roflstomps where Secret have looked to have a guaranteed win from the first minute.

As far as I can tell, they shouldn't have a real opponent until the semi-finals tomorrow when they're likely to face Team Spirit, and then I'd guess the final will be against Kaipi or Polarity.
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