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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 21 2016 22:49 GMT
#3621
The 6k stack they were supposed to play got alch'd by 5k noobs, which they proceeded with constantly rotating envy death prophet mid
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 21 2016 23:12 GMT
#3622
lol. Secret can lose
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 23:34:30
June 21 2016 23:32 GMT
#3623
lol........... this is a hard game for secret, not gonna lie.

edit: alright, pickoffs into objective, into catchup, phew.
envy was about to hit 14k networth at 40minutes on DP. that was terrifying.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 21 2016 23:34 GMT
#3624
ya'll need to have some faith.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Vankuga
Profile Joined April 2012
Panama2005 Posts
June 21 2016 23:39 GMT
#3625
what the fuck, this game almost gave me a heart attack.
Vankuga
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
June 21 2016 23:41 GMT
#3626
imo, the upside to that game is it shows this Secret looks much more stable than the previous one. They took good fights after they fell behind and turned the game around, previous Secret just crumbled
rip
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 23:44:49
June 21 2016 23:43 GMT
#3627
wellllll i tuned in late but it looked like it was on the back of a jungle axe pick.
whether converting axe into a better support would have made the game look better, secret were on the ropes lol and a better team, even a professional team might have sealed the deal there.

secret looked better in most of their bo1 lower bracket games than in that one.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
June 21 2016 23:45 GMT
#3628
On June 22 2016 08:41 TomatoBisque wrote:
imo, the upside to that game is it shows this Secret looks much more stable than the previous one. They took good fights after they fell behind and turned the game around, previous Secret just crumbled

not really, this game was just radiant not knowing how to win. it was 100% comanche throw. first no sentry when pushing hg top, slark instantly pops the disruptor from behind then they lose the fight even if they get a melee rax. following 2 fights same exact story, disruptor and oracle got killed by slark before the fight started cuz they had no detection down. and even after all that, they could have still won if they had a semi competent tide. but i guess that's why nobody knew who they are in the first place.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 23:50:18
June 21 2016 23:49 GMT
#3629
Felt to me like Secret was maybe a bit overconfident in their ability to fight. The opponent had a rather "fail safe" 5v5 lineup and Secret had to initiate specifically on the supports to stand a chance in 5v5s, initiating on cores was never going to work. But instead Puppey made several very questionable jumps, can't really recall how the vision was etc. and whether he actually thought they could be alone. When they started taking fights in a way where the rest just distract the cores while Arteezy kills the supports it went way different.

But yea due to how they took those earlier fights the game got to a point where they needed the opponent to make mistakes in detection etc. to bring it back.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
June 22 2016 00:02 GMT
#3630
So is anyone notable on Prodota Gaming? Only player I recognise is Garter, who's not too scary. After that there's Team Toast (whose only semi-notable player is Kefka?) or OSfrog (none of whom I recognise).. So it should be easy for Secret to get to the semi-final. Should. And then they'll probably face Team Spirit, which shouldn't be too hard, and then I'm predicting a final against Kaipi, which is definitely doable.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
June 22 2016 08:40 GMT
#3631
Not.rly kabras, after bkbs were up Secret started dominating. Even after.tide reftesh that he blown for no reason :p
also any team is risky until semis - then it's bo3 and the boys should make it
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
il MeMbro
Profile Joined February 2016
8 Posts
June 22 2016 09:04 GMT
#3632
it seems like those guys were ex YeS/Enso players (TI5 open qualifiers winners) on smurf accounts. I mean, not a team that secret should struggle to beat, but not someone who can be underestimated in a BO1 either.
zolasell
Profile Joined April 2016
Greece288 Posts
June 22 2016 14:00 GMT
#3633
Not stomping a game does not mean that you are losing.Secret managed to survive the first half of the game where the enemy draft was far stronger while taking some farm for their cores and not completely lose control.given the drafts they handled it pretty well.
Names
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada328 Posts
June 22 2016 14:13 GMT
#3634
On June 22 2016 08:45 Kabras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 08:41 TomatoBisque wrote:
imo, the upside to that game is it shows this Secret looks much more stable than the previous one. They took good fights after they fell behind and turned the game around, previous Secret just crumbled

not really, this game was just radiant not knowing how to win. it was 100% comanche throw. first no sentry when pushing hg top, slark instantly pops the disruptor from behind then they lose the fight even if they get a melee rax. following 2 fights same exact story, disruptor and oracle got killed by slark before the fight started cuz they had no detection down. and even after all that, they could have still won if they had a semi competent tide. but i guess that's why nobody knew who they are in the first place.


I can see how they had problems ending the game with the poor ass supports they had. Did you see their net worth lategame? Both radiant supports were at 2k gold. They put sentries down everywhere mid game and it is one of the reason why they had the advantage but they used so many that they had nothing left once lategame kicked in. Timber should of bought sentries for them past 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure he didn't.

I agree that Tide had misplays.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
June 22 2016 14:13 GMT
#3635
On June 22 2016 23:00 zolasell wrote:
Not stomping a game does not mean that you are losing.Secret managed to survive the first half of the game where the enemy draft was far stronger while taking some farm for their cores and not completely lose control.given the drafts they handled it pretty well.


that's how i saw it--they basically saw the 3.5k MMR timber, etc. and were overconfident, but once they realized they weren't going to stomp the game and had a later power peak than comanche, they were able to adjust
Names
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada328 Posts
June 22 2016 14:18 GMT
#3636
On June 22 2016 23:13 theqat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 23:00 zolasell wrote:
Not stomping a game does not mean that you are losing.Secret managed to survive the first half of the game where the enemy draft was far stronger while taking some farm for their cores and not completely lose control.given the drafts they handled it pretty well.


they basically saw the 3.5k MMR timber, etc. and were overconfident


who said the timber was 3.5k?
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Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
June 22 2016 15:35 GMT
#3637
On June 22 2016 23:13 Names wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 22 2016 08:45 Kabras wrote:
On June 22 2016 08:41 TomatoBisque wrote:
imo, the upside to that game is it shows this Secret looks much more stable than the previous one. They took good fights after they fell behind and turned the game around, previous Secret just crumbled

not really, this game was just radiant not knowing how to win. it was 100% comanche throw. first no sentry when pushing hg top, slark instantly pops the disruptor from behind then they lose the fight even if they get a melee rax. following 2 fights same exact story, disruptor and oracle got killed by slark before the fight started cuz they had no detection down. and even after all that, they could have still won if they had a semi competent tide. but i guess that's why nobody knew who they are in the first place.


I can see how they had problems ending the game with the poor ass supports they had. Did you see their net worth lategame? Both radiant supports were at 2k gold. They put sentries down everywhere mid game and it is one of the reason why they had the advantage but they used so many that they had nothing left once lategame kicked in. Timber should of bought sentries for them past 30 minutes but I'm pretty sure he didn't.

I agree that Tide had misplays.

im not putting it on the supports but they absolutely needed detection to go hg against the freaking slark. if they were too poor someone else should've gotten it. like that's the most standard and obvious way of playing the hero. go around the back, assassinate someone then have ur team fight hero jump in and initiate. this is also something secret (puppey especially) has been guilty of time and time again since before shanghai. and we still saw it a couple of times yesterday from him. i just don't fucking understand what item in ur 5k networth support inventory is more important than detection when u know ur against invis heroes.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Kznn
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil9072 Posts
June 22 2016 16:24 GMT
#3638
envy back on 1
matiK23
Profile Joined May 2011
United States963 Posts
June 22 2016 21:24 GMT
#3639
gg boys, one more
Without a paddle up shit creek.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
June 22 2016 21:28 GMT
#3640
Feeling pretty smug about all the fools that thought secret would go out in opens.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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